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If tibber's is here for good, should Necromentia return to the deck? Possibly unmask too to get more turn 1 interaction.

Remorse is cute, I prefer it to memory.

Oh ok, I used this list https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=28701&d=426612&f=LE
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Post SB they bring in veil, Opposition Agent, and meddling mage so you need to keep in your eliminates too g2/3. I prefer discard and fast mana md but overall I see the deck as a losing proposition...

The last list you posted has 10 win cons: 4 ktgc 4 Misfortunes 2 Helm. 6 of these though need leyline in play, which when factoring in mulliganing is 50% ish. This is 10/60th of your deck so over...

Oh I'm not fussed on exploring the list more, just thinking how curses could help its snoreko mu :cool:. This is wut I could come up with.

One could argue cutting chalice improves dark ritual in the deck :tongue:. I still really like the fast mana, I'm viewing it as a deadguy ale curses hybrid.

Therapy I think will still be strong...

I'd consider just not running the stompy package right now and leaning into Cavern of Souls. Something like this.

Edit: might want some lilly walkers too.


4 ancient tomb
1 City of...

Those two r definitely up. Wut did your list look like?

Good points! I think the biggest difference in our thinking is how good 3sphere is. I'm not thrilled with it right now due to oko, I went down to 2 but considered even going down to 0. But I...

I don't think you want very much redundancy actually. The wheels are pretty bad without hullbreacher or narset in play and ~30% or so of decks still don't run draw engines, making those lists pretty...

Thoughts on focusing more lock pieces on shutting down draw engines?


2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
12 BU L
4 Chrome Mox

1 Cruel Reality

I wouldn't cut any fast mana vs either deck, the longer the game goes vs. both decks the more likely you r to lose. Especially not vs. Delver where people bring in cards like carpet of flowers.
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