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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    This is very much valid. Ultimately, Ideal might just not be worth it for these reasons. However, I do think that Sanctum Weaver makes the "uncastable" cards issue less of a problem. I'm also...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Modern Horizons 2 has introduced a number of interesting cards which I think are worth considering for Enduring Ideal shells. Enchantments are a theme in the set and there are lot of tools for GW...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Completely accurate. I hadn't considered Explosive Vegetation, so I guess there's no reason to get excited by Terrain Shift.

    MH2 is looking good though: Seal of Cleansing, Soul Snare, & Out of...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Coming in MH2:

    "Terrain Shift" 3G
    Sorcery
    Search for a basic land card from your library, put it into the battlefield, then shuffle.

    Rebound

    This could be relevant to Ideal in that it...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    I was just testing out another build of the deck that I found on Channel Fireball which was piloted by MTGO user, Rinko, from whom I had previously posted a 6th place MTGO Prelim list. The list is a...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    The value of Ideal in the "impenetrable fortress" is that the final piece that truly locks the game up varies depending on the match up. Since the main lock pieces are 6-8 mana spells, it's more...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    This whole post was really insightful. If we assess various builds of Enduring Ideal in the context of these 3 archetypes, I think the deck is essentially just a worse version of each (and even...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Portable Hole seems great. Path has kind of been down in terms of playability of late, as giving an additional land to some decks can be extremely punishing (vs. Prowess decks, for example). I...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    I noticed an Enduring Ideal deck top 8'ed an online Prelim recently, here's the list:

    Enduring Ideal by Rinko - 6th place MTGO Prelim 6-JAN-2021
    2 Skyclave Apparition
    3 Lotus Bloom
    3 Oust
    4...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    My experience is that tutoring up a plains is actually better than drawing a blind card, as we want to hit our land drop every turn. Yes, if the game draws out, which it does do with some regularity,...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    I had tried a Yorion build of my WU list and found that it was different, but not really better. As you've noted, while you draw into Enduring Ideal less frequently, you are also less likely to draw...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    It's been a while since I've updated my list here. Below is what I've been playing since Astrolabe got banned. Nothing too different.

    Enduring Ideal
    CREATURES
    1 Heliod, God of the Sun
    SPELLS
    4...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    I don't have much to add to the furthering of the Ideal deck at the moment, but I do think that we may be reaching a space where some divergent strategies become realistic. Specifically, the Heliod,...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Another card that I'm contemplating for this deck is Kiora Bests the Sea God. I don't know that this card specifically offers anything that isn't obtained elsewhere, but it is another game winner at...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    That's fair. I guess without Porphyry Nodes in the main any longer, Abolisher might be more practical. I like T3feri, but felt that protecting him might be difficult, though maybe not against control...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    UPDATED LIST with Theros Beyond Death

    Turns out the new enchantment-based set gave this deck a few new toys (go figure).

    Enduring Ideal
    CREATURES
    1 Heliod, God of the Sun
    SPELLS
    4 Lotus...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    After taking a bit of a break from this deck, I felt compelled to come back and give it a try in the post-Hogaak/Modern Horizons world. Modern Horizons brought two pretty significant additions that I...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Not much of an update, but I've swapped out Stasis Snare for Prison Realm. While providing slightly less devotion to white, the scry 1 is welcome, as I've always felt the deck could use more digging...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    When it became apparent that RNA had an enchantment theme, I got really excited, but I don't think there's anything in it for the Ideal deck, unfortunately. Smothering Tithe was the one card I...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    As kombatkiwi pointed suggested, this was a typo. I did used to play some filter lands an a Sacred Foundry to enable the hardcast of Form of the Dragon, but it came up less frequently than just...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Here's the list I top 8'ed the aforementioned PPTQ with:

    Enduring Ideal
    CREATURES
    1 Heliod, God of the Sun
    SPELLS
    4 Lotus Bloom
    1 Oppressive Rays
    3 Porphyry Nodes
    1 Greater Auramancy
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    While I like Dawn of Hope as a card, I don't think it fits well into an Ideal deck. I think the creature production aspect is just too slow and mana intensive. Also, making small creatures works...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    To get a bit specific, I'm looking to figure out how to best approach the Bogles matchup, specifically their use of Gaddock Teeg out of the board. Porphyry Nodes is kind of MVP against Bogles, but it...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    I'm not a fan of Wheel of Sun and Moon as an anti-graveyard measure against control decks, specifically the Snapcaster decks. The games tend to grind really long and I just don't want them to be able...
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    Re: UW Enduring Ideal

    Thanks, kombatkiwi; I appreciate your input. History of Benalia was on my radar, but I felt like it belonged in the sideboard and I really only wanted it if I could play 3-4 copies. I decided...
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