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    Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    I'm wondering how the cleanup step works on this. Is it possible at the end of your opponent's cleanup step to use kiki-jiki's ability to make a token of a creature (say a goblin piledriver) so that you get that token on your turn. I've seen this used to make 2 copies of piledriver that were able to attack with the original.

    I'm just wondering if this works.

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    Re: Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    It works thanks to the difference between "at end of turn" and "until end of turn." Somebody can probably whip up the Comp Rules quote for ya if you really want it
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    Re: Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition View Post
    I'm wondering how the cleanup step works on this. Is it possible at the end of your opponent's cleanup step to use kiki-jiki's ability to make a token of a creature (say a goblin piledriver) so that you get that token on your turn. I've seen this used to make 2 copies of piledriver that were able to attack with the original.

    I'm just wondering if this works.
    No one can play anything at the Cleanup Step unless something triggers off something that happened in that step. You mean the End of Turn Step.
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    Re: Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaiminho View Post
    No one can play anything at the Cleanup Step unless something triggers off something that happened in that step. You mean the End of Turn Step.
    Sorry. Yes, this is what I meant. I think I forgot the clean up step happens before the End of Turn Step (which seems silly now since End of Turn should be at the end of the turn).

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    Re: Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    The end of turn step happens before the cleanup step. Abilities that trigger "at the end of the turn" trigger during the end of turn step; effects that last "until the end of the turn" go away during the cleanup step.

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    Sorry. Yes, this is what I meant. I think I forgot the clean up step happens before the End of Turn Step (which seems silly now since End of Turn should be at the end of the turn).
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    Re: Kiki-jiki, mirror breaker

    Quote Originally Posted by cdr View Post
    The end of turn step happens before the cleanup step. Abilities that trigger "at the end of the turn" trigger during the end of turn step; effects that last "until the end of the turn" go away during the cleanup step.
    Woops. Then I was right the first time, but I guess I just glossed over the fact that some things trigger and others are just state effects. That clears it up, thanks.

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