View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    What's going on? Not seeing any B&R news on the mothership or social media.
    The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
    1. Discuss the unbanning of Land Tax Earthcraft.
    2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
    3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
    4. Stifle Standstill.
    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    There are a lot of people in this thread


    Got ya
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevestamopz View Post
    There are a lot of people in this thread


    Got ya
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Dammit, I thought Steve knew something since it's tomorrow in Australia.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    Dammit, I thought Steve knew something since it's tomorrow in Australia.
    Sadly being up at half past midnight does not give us any advantage here and only costs us when work calls.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Sadly being up at half past midnight does not give us any advantage here and only costs us when work calls.
    Totally worth it

    Sorry Stu <3
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    Dat 1/1 with built in pump. Watch out Griselbrand here comes lizard mid range.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    AND the toilets flush in reverse? God what a strange land you guys live in.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I wouldn't put it past WotC's website to have access to articles based on your system's clock
    The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
    1. Discuss the unbanning of Land Tax Earthcraft.
    2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
    3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
    4. Stifle Standstill.
    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Julian23 View Post
    I wouldn't put it past WotC's website to have access to articles based on your system's clock
    Guess that would explain why everything's upside down at that company.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Saw all of that coming. I am not disappointed.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    We have all these ridiculous decks, and here I am just innocently wanting to play tier III decks with my Earthcrafts and Frantic Searches. Thwarted once again.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Saw all of that coming. I am not disappointed.
    Yeah, I think this is a good call, all around.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Yeah, I think this is a good call, all around.
    I think so. I am unhappy Smokestack is no longer a card I can play in Vintage, there are no longer enough lock pieces to make the deck work. But it needed to be done all the same.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    I think so. I am unhappy Smokestack is no longer a card I can play in Vintage, there are no longer enough lock pieces to make the deck work. But it needed to be done all the same.
    My poor UbaStax deck; potentially have to pick a new deck for Eternal Weekend...

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    I think so. I am unhappy Smokestack is no longer a card I can play in Vintage, there are no longer enough lock pieces to make the deck work. But it needed to be done all the same.
    I don't know. I mean, people were putting God-Pharoah's Gift into Vintage decks.

    Sure Smokestack is plausible. Plus, Tangle Wire plus Smokestack is still a hell of a "combo" when they don't have Mentor to bail them out.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Bummed that Misstep dodged a bullet, but this is otherwise a solid announcement.

    Workshop restriction would have been a travesty, but Thorn is a good hit. As someone buying into White Eldrazi it's not great for me personally, but Thorn's a bullshit card (and White Eldrazi can always try out Wingmare or some extra Thalia THC). Sphere can be more powerful, but I find Thorn to usually be one-sided.

    Mentor needed to go. I suspect the deck will still be Tier 1 if they just replace 3 Mentors with Pyromancers.

    Now that I type that out, I'm not sure this announcement is enough to actually change the Shops v Mentor dynamic . . .

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    Mentor needed to go. I suspect the deck will still be Tier 1 if they just replace 3 Mentors with Pyromancers.

    Now that I type that out, I'm not sure this announcement is enough to actually change the Shops v Mentor dynamic . . .
    Sure, but Pyromancer is a linear growth plan, which is a lot less explosive and easier to deal with (especially since -1/-1 effects wipes Pyro and the tokens).

    Weaking both Shops and Mentor though allows other decks to actually play that couldn't split the difference. I.e. BUG Fish and hopefully combo outside Outcome.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I am a Stax player, I think that is fairly well known by now, and I can not see a flaw in this other than thinking Sphere should have taken the hit over Thorn. But hell, it is what it is, I am more interested to see what happens next. I am thinking about trying to build with Clamp and Genesis Chamber again. This is not a bad thing for Vintage.
    It is better to ask and look stupid then keep your mouth shut and remain so.
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    Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    For Legacy I think that was the right call to not ban anything, brainstorm is the ultimate spell of the format, but since Legacy is the only BS format, I think it will be very hard to take a strike. BS is just so good, it is a cantrip that also gives you virtual card advantage by shuffling away two cards that are not good at the moment, all at instant speed, its just so strong, I would like to see someday the format without it, but I don't know how people would react to it. Anyway without BS it would power down both delver and 4c control the 2 top decks, probably delver more, but still it would change a lot in the format, so I understand them not moving before the protour, and I think its right to wait.

    What I really wanted was to see some unbans on Legacy, there are things that will be part of only tier 2 decks, so why not unban and bring some diversity up on the format.

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