View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Regardless of what they do or might want to do with the format in terms of encouraged playstyles and desired power level, the format will never look like Modern as long as Wizards keeps pumping out pushed EDH cards that are legal in eternal formats and not in others, even if they banned all the fast mana and cheap cantrips and fetchlands and duals or whatever else tomorrow.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    The next Commanderesque side-set is gonna be Modern legal

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Blood View Post
    The next Commanderesque side-set is gonna be Modern legal
    Lotr this summer

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Lotr this summer
    First Eldrazi winter now, <insert-random-crossover-theme> summer.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    I still say if they want to fix Legacy they need to ban everything until Wild Nacatl is viable again. Delver was the true point of no return, and they've shown just zero appetite to have non-blue creatures be the best in the game ever since.
    Did you ever consider playing 1x Nacatl instead of 4x Nacatl? Maybe the problem with Zoo is the card quality is TOO good and it needs to be Highlander instead.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    They really need to ban Murktide next, but there I'm not so confident of them actually making the correct decision.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    They really need to ban Murktide next, but there I'm not so confident of them actually making the correct decision.
    Don't worry, we just have to wait for the next modern horizons in which they print even more mental cards to outclass the current ban candidates ;)

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoid View Post
    Don't worry, we just have to wait for the next modern horizons in which they print even more mental cards to outclass the current ban candidates ;)
    Wilder Nacatl [G]

    When Wilder Nacatl enters the battlefield, you may choose to have it fight target creature you don't control.

    Wilder Nacatl gets +1/+1 for each basic land type among lands you control.

    0/1

    Blue Ragavan [U]

    Whenever Blue Ragavan deals combat damage to a player, create a Clue Token and Surveil 1.

    Dash 1[U].

    2/1

    +some new pitch cycle

    Am I doing this right?

  9. #23409

    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I got Storm+Bushido
    But I rerolled into Epic and cascade.
    I think they're changing the rules. Again

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoid View Post
    Don't worry, we just have to wait for the next modern horizons in which they print even more mental cards to outclass the current ban candidates ;)
    I mean touching on this; they really should just ban everything that's never been Type 2 legal.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I think that might also functionally ban Tabernacle and Reset but I can live with the exchange.
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    I mean touching on this; they really should just ban everything that's never been Type 2 legal.
    That would still leave us with such gems as blue delve spells, companions, Underworld Breach, Oko, Dreadhorde Arcanist on a regular basis.

    Does anyone know if they still have their meme balancing council or whatever that they made to prevent balancing mistakes years ago.
    In case that still exists they probably only use it to identify cards that aren't broken to push further.
    Current balancing priorities are:

    1) Commander
    2)
    3)
    4) Standard
    5)
    6) Who even cares anymore.

    As long as commander players continue to give money to WotC like they are Nigerian princes, this is what we'll get.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    I mean touching on this; they really should just ban everything that's never been Type 2 legal.
    Not happening BUT, some years ago, right before MTGA became a thing, there was a discussion making some headways about the possibility of giving players a way to 'define a format' in MTGO and being able to organize their own competitions for it, all done inside the software not using funny websites and all sorts of hacks. Which would allow all of these ideas and would certainly start to show how popular or not they are. Then MTGA came and it all went the way of the dodo.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoid View Post
    That would still leave us with such gems as blue delve spells, companions, Underworld Breach, Oko, Dreadhorde Arcanist on a regular basis.

    Does anyone know if they still have their meme balancing council or whatever that they made to prevent balancing mistakes years ago.
    In case that still exists they probably only use it to identify cards that aren't broken to push further.
    Current balancing priorities are:

    1) Commander
    2)
    3)
    4) Standard
    5)
    6) Who even cares anymore.

    As long as commander players continue to give money to WotC like they are Nigerian princes, this is what we'll get.
    Stuff like DHA, Delve, and Oko just feels like normal "occasionally there's a card that's too good in type 2" stuff, like normal Magic

    It doesn't feel like a constant churn of pushed pure joke bullshit that's bad enough in casual formats like EDH but in no way a sane addition to fucking duel formats, like the Initiative bullshit amply demonstrates. Or stuff that's just designed to be Legacy playable levels of normal broken and then wildly overshoots the mark like Murktide
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    It's a brand new world in the first week post-bans:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...and-new-legacy

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    In case this got missed.

    While the strategy seems fine, the better fix would be better balancing but can't have that.
    Can't wait for them to change their policy again in a few months time.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoid View Post
    In case this got missed.

    While the strategy seems fine, the better fix would be better balancing but can't have that.
    Can't wait for them to change their policy again in a few months time.
    It's dumb, and so is WOTC but it's ok.
    I'll keep buying that garbage in playing in those events.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Site crashed, but I would guess it will be back up soon: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/an...d-announcement

    The important part:
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    It feels like there are less obvious ways to kill Legacy if that’s all you want to do
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    It feels like there are less obvious ways to kill Legacy if that’s all you want to do
    There's more degenerate shit than mind's desire.

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