Brainstorm
Force of Will
Lion's Eye Diamond
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Tarmogoyf
Phyrexian Dreadnaught
Goblin Lackey
Standstill
Natural Order
I think you are misunderstading.
Is a combination of problems.
Blue has good creature and removal (tnn jace strix delver Vendillion)
Good counters (only blue has)
Good cantrips
If hasbro does not print better cards against blue bullets format is blue, or high variancy hate decks.
Now You have no strategy that does not relate on blue except Hate strategy.
You have aggro U based deck
You have tempo U based deck (team america, Rug, canadian)
You have control U based deck (Miracle grixis)
You have combo U based deck (SnS, omniscence, UB reanimator)
You could also play Aggro Loam prison deck 4 color . Very happy to blue Back to Basic, or Red Price of progress
YOu can play combo like Dark Depths or Reanimator without blue or lands and try the variance effect.
I guess that or Hasbro reduce the blue power or empowered the other colors (green over others) printing something that has bad matching with blue, even with destroy effect if You control island.
I know that lots of player love to reduce variancy with Sylvan or other. But the difference is in the pool of cards and sinergy with others.
Brainstorm + Delver is not the same that Sylvan + XXX because the power level of green cards is low compared to blue
Just take creatures, Tarmogoyf was a king, then TNN comes and Tarmo is gone.
Nimble moongose was a must, now is delver
Brainstorm Realist
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Of course top banning wast the stupidest thing they could ever have done to legacy. We have a format in which only blue decks are cometitive because of the consistency provided by cantrips? Well, let's ban the only good card non blue decks can use to emulate the effect of cantrips. What a joke.
I am not misunderstanding anything, I said not cantrips are the problem as is claimed in this threat 24/7 (at least in the psot I was refering to). I agree the the trio of Strix, Snap and TNN is what pushes blue decks over the top. Delver is actually fine in this context imo.
1. Hasbro just pulls money out of WOtC, WotC prints cards.
2. Omg we absolutly don't need more hate cards... How much more hate than Chalice, Choke, Bloodmoon, etc. do you need? I am glad that as poor as people working at wotc come across at times they still seem to be much more intelligent than the shouting mob you find in threats like these. Hate piece make for stupid unfun gameplay, which is why I would doubt youl will see alot of new stuff. Even though something as obnoxious as Prelate was printed recently in COnspiracy 2 aka DnT: the set
3. So any fast combo deck qualifies as "hate strategy"? That's a funny definition and pretty much bs imo.[quote/]
1. For anybody that understands how magic works, its clear that one mana cantrips will slide into most decks because they are the most versatile. The format for bad blue cantrips is modern (red and green have the best filtering there)
2. Wow so you dismiss a totally competitive deck because of two hatecards? How about you try to find a way to beat those cards... how does anybody play blue against chlaice and choke?
3. In my opinion BG Depths, BR Reanimator and Lands are super consistenst. The only thing more broken then cantrips are tutors and all of those decks have them. BR is actually running the best imaginable cantrip for them in Looting. How are dekcs with so much redundency and tutors worse than blue?
Tarmo is dead because of Angler, push and strix. It's a 2cmc creature that does nothing on etb, do you actually belive the stuff you write yourself?
Goose is dead because of angler and strix.
The primary reason Tarmogoyf has left the format isn't True-Name Nemesis; it's Fatal Push. Before the only playable removal that could take it out for less than it costs was Dismember and Swords to Plowshares, both of which have a disadvantage and the former of which isn't played much. Then Fatal Push came along and not only was a drawback-less kill spell against Tarmogoyf, it was in Black so non-White Black decks could run it. Even worse for Tarmogoyf, it has anti-synergy with Tasigur and Gurmag Angler, which are stellar against Fatal Push.
This same effect is in Modern, in fact; Tarmogoyf sees substantially less play in that format than it used to, and there is no True-Name Nemesis in that format. I'm not saying True-Name Nemesis didn't also hurt Tarmogoyf, it did, but nowhere near as much as Fatal Push and the Delve cards did (which, incidentally, see considerably more play than Tarmogoyf).
The primary deck Nimble Mongoose saw play in was Canadian Threshold (now perhaps better known as RUG Delver), a deck that was made into a major staple of the format exactly because of Delver of Secrets. Sure, RUG Delver isn't that much of a thing now, but it sure as heck wasn't Delver of Secrets that pushed Nimble Mongoose out when Delver of Secrets was basically the reason Nimble Mongoose was a mainstay.Nimble moongose was a must, now is delver
Wild Nacatl would've made more sense to appeal to here.
Hate cards are fine as long as they are narrow.
-rob
I am personally convinced tinker is a good unban while memory jar is banned. All you get is card answred by swords to plownshares/edict except for inkwell leviathan which is a three turn kill slow
compared to NO=> progenitus. In a format of 20/20 flying for 2cc tinker is not that good. There is no good artifact to abuse with. Yeah sundering titan can be problematic... Maybe
As with all tutors they are just as strong as their targets. I also think Tinker is fine in legacy. Time for unbans IMO.
Unban tinker, becasue we definetly need more degenerate combos.. yea.. sure... Show and smell the Griselchimp is enough.. (presonally I'd say too much).
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