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I personally think Astrolabe is fine. I do, however, feel that Oko, Veil and Breach (change of tune) should go. It is funny though keeping a hand of three cantrips, a SCSwamp, a SCForest and an Astrolabe. But I don’t mind that, because even though it makes things hyper-efficient, it’s nice for a change that Legacy can shift more towards basic land utilization so that you don’t need to worry about being Wastelanded or Blood Mooned out of a game.
What I don’t like are the Oko decks that are using it. Green becomes meh without Oko, so if it were banned, you’d see these decks recalibrate and wouldn’t have to worry about Astrolabe beatdown. I just see so many other broken cards that exist in Legacy, that it’s hard to sell me on a mana rock that cantrips that requires a fast axe. Come on.
Snow-Covered Island should get the ban. No land should be able to cast both Brainstorm AND Astrolabe AND not die to Wasteland.
Yes, ban Brainstorm and ban everything else so we can finally play Magic: the Jabbering like Richard Garfield intended.
i don't understand this comment unless you're a shill for brainstorm.
it's just brainstorm, no other card needs to be banned.
it's just brainstorm, it's no other card; ponder is fine.
all the other "offenders" that have been banned in the last X years were banned because of brainstorm.
probe, DRS, DTT, TC, SDT, W&6. what could you unban? manadrain? mindtwist? earthcraft?
Yeah, you got me. I'm a shill for Brainstorm
Oh how did you discover my diabolical scheme? Years of planning, wasted!
The reality is that Brainstorm and Ponder are a package deal, because they would be banned at the same time. Banning just Brainstorm would lead to the replacement options of Preordain/Serum Visions/Opt (given that Ponder is effectively in most decks Brainstorm is in), not much really changes because Preordain is still rather good as a cantrip spell, and then you just end up on a crusade against Ponder. May as well just go for the jugular and not waste time when the result is fairly obvious.
Earthcraft is probably the extent of the potential unbans in that list. Mind Twist probably could be, but there is little benefit to actually unbanning the card.all the other "offenders" that have been banned in the last X years were banned because of brainstorm.
probe, DRS, DTT, TC, SDT, W&6. what could you unban? manadrain? mindtwist? earthcraft?
You are far better at posting in this thread than I am, it seems.
My predictions for today: Underworld Breach banned in Legacy, a muddled paragraph on keeping an eye on Astrolabe/Oko decks, some gibberish about terrible formats that people don't play very much anymore (Modern, Standard), and likely a Dig Through Time ban in Pioneer. If they don't shake up Modern with an unban that format is doomed to becoming obsolete. It may still become obsolete, even if they unban Twin.
At this point, it's not about whether Breach is too good it's just a matter of when it will be broken sideways with some new tech. Listening to Bryant Cook on The Dead Format, and I'm paraphrasing here, Breach is almost equivalent to Flash.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Nah, we need the Breach era to last at least as long as the Dig era; it’s important to remind all the fair decks that spells matter every once in a while.
I mean yeah, they’ll probably ban Breach, but it’s not like you’re doing fair decks any favors so much as consigning them to oblivion compliments of Oko. Once you get past the feels bad losses to Breach, a fair deck should at least recognize how Breach can be hated on by SB cards and the rise of Breach leads to the marginalizing of their worst matchup (Oko).
This last part is underrated. Part of the reason Breach (and TES) are doing so well is they crush Snowko. It's much easier to beat Snowko when you don't have to pass the turn with any creatures, planeswalkers or non-mana artifacts. What are fair decks supposed to do? Without Breach in the meta, players would be a lot angrier at Oko.
At least Breach encouraged deck brewing and diversity (outside of the main Jeskai build there's Grixis, RUG, 4color, Riddlesmith combo, Emry Stompy, Delver Breach, Snowko Breach, ANT splashing Breach...). Snowko encourages sleeving up the same 50 cards. Breach can also be hated on in so many ways that it encourages layers of interaction, instead of just Elking every permanent and then winnng with more Elks.
Bryant's just salty that Jeskai Breach is his worst matchup. Meanwhile he's 5-0ing cues left and right on a rampage with TES, probably claiming Veil of Summer is a fair card.
I listened too and Bryant's guess was that it'll get banned in 5-6 months, I'm pretty sure [edit: this was in the Eternal Glory podcast from March 4th actually, but should be a similar view one would think], it seemed like a quick guess though and not a heavily contemplated one. I listened to the Everyday Eternal podcast yesterday and they also seemed to think it will get banned in a while, as I interpreted them, not now. My guess has been it might get banned in 2-3 months. Advocating a ban now seems early. I think it's like with the Karn ban discussion from a year back, I was not one of the people saying it should get banned (everyone who did should probably learn from that example) and while I think Breach seems to motivate it better it is still a bit early. Players are adjusting their decks and learning how to play against it, the deck is still evolving. Maverick won the challenge yesterday, right? That is the most clear proof I can imagine that it is too early to ban the card, the meta is adjusting, the deck is adjusting, everything is adjusting, it seems a bit foolish to ban it now. Not that I have the full picture, I don't, but I also get this impression from all the podcasts I listened to [edit: well, it may be that I remember what I want to hear].
Given how Wizards acts historically, I would expect them to ban LED before Breach, because Breach sells packs after all.
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