All B/R update speculation.

[Pippin]

I'm sorry but did I promise something else than an anecdote and some hyperbole? Please, read again, this time with your eyes open:



If you think a game or even some games you witnessed proves anything, you are not fit to have the discussion regarding if a card is banworthy or not.

What does a Stifle do against a Bargain? Right, absolutely nothing. Now think a moment about Griselbrand. Correct, Stifle deals 14 to the dome.

Your arguments are quite amusing. I must admit that I never thought that Stifle can handle a 7/7 flying lifelinking monster.
Yeah, it can "deal" 7dmg in right scenario, but what prevents the Griselbrand player to attack, gain 7 life and try to use his relevant ability when needed? Ah I guess poor play skill to which you continue to hint. Is that why Griselbrand is ok? Because some people don't know how to play it, or the deck that he's a main part of?

[Tacosnape]

I'm fine with a format reset at this point. I hate Legacy at current.

While I personally love Brainstorm, I'm fine with it going away. Brainstorm's banning would do something for the format - Make 1CC targeted discard an actual decent strategy again. Show and Tell going away would mean not having to develop ridiculous strategies to stop it. And Griselbrand going away would be just fine too. Hell, I don't care if they ban all three. Whatever it takes.

In the meantime, I'mma go scrub out playing Gamekeeper + Cavern of Souls. Fuck blue.:)

[Hopo]

I must admit that I never thought that Stifle can handle a 7/7 flying lifelinking monster.

You being so hyperbolic and furious is cute, but I honestly think that you know what I mean but you just don't want to consider the option that Griselbrand is manageable. I'm now fine with that. No need to convince anyone.

Yeah, it can "deal" 7dmg in right scenario, but what prevents the Griselbrand player to attack, gain 7 life and try to use his relevant ability when needed?

My solution at the time was bounce. I understand that it doesn't always work, as I understand that sometimes Griselbrand deck just loses to whatever you are playing.

Ah I guess poor play skill to which you continue to hint. Is that why Griselbrand is ok? Because some people don't know how to play it, or the deck that he's a main part of?

Now you start to see things that aren't there. Not much to discuss here, I would say.

[f|i[p]]

Doesn't show and tell fall in the exact same category as survival of the fittest...

Survival on its own was only used by the few.. not even a top tier with Iona retainers combo.

then Vengvine came along...

SHow and tell is a good card.. then Griselbrand came along...

Survival was at least hit by graveyard hate, counter magic and enchantment hate..they couldn't run permission cards as much since they had to build decks that were creature heavy... Mana was also important for survival.

How ever show and tell is not an engine like survival is....

I don't know.. maybe wait a couple of more months...

I still think blue is too much right now...

[(nameless one)]

I have a feeling that GP:ATL is gonna be like GP: Columbus '07.

The winning deck won't feature Show and Tell but mirrors are going to be everywhere.

[rxavage]

I have a feeling that GP:ATL is gonna be like GP: Columbus '07.

The winning deck won't feature Show and Tell but mirrors are going to be everywhere.

If you mean UW miracle and RUG mirrors, I agree.

[Erdvermampfa]

Everything was fine before they banned Misstep and printed Snapcaster, Delver and Griselbrand.

[Star|Scream]

Everything was fine before they printed Misstep and printed Snapcaster, Delver and Griselbrand.

fixed that for you

[I am the brainwasher]

I have to pretty much agree with all of that.

[Julian23]

On another note, I'm sure someone should be able to retrieve the banner of the upcoming B&R announcement. Pretty, please? I remember the banning of Survival being spoiled that way.

[TooCloseToTheSun]

Top 8 from the latest SCG Open

1. Goblins
2. RUG Delver
3. Elves
4. Esper Stoneblade
5. Maverick
6. Maverick
7. RUG Delver
8. Enchantress

In the top 8 lists there were:
12 Brainstorm
20 Wasteland
0 Show and Tell
12 Green Sun's Zenith
Out of a possible 32

So, no Sneak and Show in the top 8, Maverick seems to still be able to win games and Goblins wins. I guess Brainstorm isn't as necessary as people think it is.

[testing32]

Top 8 from the latest SCG Open

So, no Sneak and Show in the top 8, Maverick seems to still be able to win games and Goblins wins. I guess Brainstorm isn't as necessary as people think it is.

That is like trying to refute climate change by saying "It snowed yesterday"

[kusumoto]

Top 8 from the latest SCG Open

1. Goblins
2. RUG Delver
3. Elves
4. Esper Stoneblade
5. Maverick
6. Maverick
7. RUG Delver
8. Enchantress

In the top 8 lists there were:
12 Brainstorm
20 Wasteland
0 Show and Tell
12 Green Sun's Zenith
Out of a possible 32

So, no Sneak and Show in the top 8, Maverick seems to still be able to win games and Goblins wins. I guess Brainstorm isn't as necessary as people think it is.

The SCG site seems to make it look like 13th place was the first list w/o brainstorm at the invitational and then not another until 22nd.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I missed the merfolk list. I guess that's one in the top 8 with no brainstorm.

[TooCloseToTheSun]

The SCG site seems to make it look like 13th place was the first list w/o brainstorm at the invitational and then not another until 22nd.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I missed the merfolk list. I guess that's one in the top 8 with no brainstorm.

That is the Invitational not the Open. The Invitational is mixed formats 8 rounds of Legacy and 8 rounds of Standard. Then the top 8 of this invitational was Standard, so it is really hard to evaluate how well the legacy decks in the top 8 actually did.

[TooCloseToTheSun]

That is like trying to refute climate change by saying "It snowed yesterday"

LOL, when you have the kind of evidence that climate scientists have let me know.

Also those arguments are nothing alike. My argument that Brainstorm isn't necessary to top 8 an SCG open is a demonstrable fact.

[Star|Scream]

Most experts on climate change agree that brainstorm and show and tell are broken.

[rxavage]

Most experts on climate change agree that brainstorm and show and tell are broken.

NM, previous statement was in reference to global warming.

[TooCloseToTheSun]

Most experts on climate change agree that brainstorm and show and tell are broken.

That's just a liberal, socialist, communist conspiracy.

Edit: also Zionist, can't forget Zionist. George Soros etc.

[rxavage]

That's just a liberal, socialist, communist conspiracy.

So is the ban "whatever" crowd it seems.

[testing32]

So is the ban "whatever" crowd it seems.

Even Rush Limbaugh sheds a tear when he sees Griselbrand come into play off a Show and Tell.