All B/R update speculation.

[Lord Seth]

While I don't think Mind Twist would break anything, at the same time it's a spectacularly boring card. My issue with it is the randomness, which is incidentally the same problem I have with Hymn to Tourach. I greatly prefer discard spells that require choices from a player. With Thoughtseize, you have to pick which card to discard, and you can choose wrong. Even with something like Funeral Charm, where it's the opponent's choice, someone is choosing which card to discard, and they thus can make the wrong decision. That makes skill a factor. With Hymn to Tourach, you just cast it and hope you get lucky, skill being irrelevant. I suppose Mind Twist is slightly better in that you have to at least think a little about how much mana to invest into it, but I still don't like the randomness factor.

I wish there was a card that was the exact same as Mind Twist except without the word "random."

[Julian23]

With Hymn to Tourach, you just cast it and hope you get lucky, skill being irrelevant.

Hymn to Tourach is on the same skill level as Thoughtseize as it's much harder to find the correct moment to cast it. In Legacy, Hymn is much weaker than people give it credit for and if you just "skilllessly" cast it as soon as you get the option, you're not thinking enough about your play.

Also, the "I prefer decisions herp derp" attitude Lord Seth describes is something that keeps holding back any future development of playskill in a player. You want to actually improve instead of complaining about losing to what you perceive as skilless variance? Improve and incorporate variance into the way you play the game. Anybody who feels bad for winning a game due to variance never really understood how to play the game. Playing with variance is playing to win. Playing with "skillful decisions" is to 4-2 your weekly Legacy most of the time.

[Shawon]

The banned/restricted list update is supposed to be today. Checked the mothership (the new site) and no update for Monday's articles. http://magic.wizards.com/en

[Megadeus]

Maybe check back at like 1?

Update: Apparently with the new updates, the new articles go up at 11AM EST now the next day. Seems.... Bad

[bakofried]

In the morning? I'm still debating whether or not to snap order some Survivals.

[Megadeus]

In the morning? I'm still debating whether or not to snap order some Survivals.

This. Got em sitting in the TCG cart like... I should just in case since I work in the morning. I have no fucking clue what I will do with them if they dont get unbanned though lol.

[bakofried]

Eh...I still need more duals. I might just order a singleton for EDH. You could throw together that Applejacks vintage deck with a playset.

[btm10]

I thought the update happened next Monday.

[Dice_Box]

I thought the update happened next Monday.

http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/mag...ther/09202012a

Prerelase was weekend past.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

This. Got em sitting in the TCG cart like... I should just in case since I work in the morning. I have no fucking clue what I will do with them if they dont get unbanned though lol.

Trade em, edh kids always have the most random shit

[Megadeus]

Thats the problem with trading with edh kids. They have valuable cards, it's all just unplayable edh garbage though. Like Minds Eye. That card is like almost 10 bucks LOL. Was thinking at work. I hope Vise gets unbanned. I wanna play 4x Probe, 4x Vise, 4x Pithing Needle, 4x Sinkhole, 4x Vindicate, 4x Wasteland.

[H]

I just hope something gets unbanned, Legacy has been getting to feel stale lately for me.

[bakofried]

I just ordered two played ones. Hedging my bets, that way if it does get unbanned it's much cheaper to finish a set, if not I've got one to use for EDH and one to trade, or I can just finish the set for proxy vintage or something later.

[datanaga]

nothing changes:(
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ent-2014-07-14

[HSCK]

Why the sad face? That's good news.

[btm10]

An unbanning would've been nice. Earthcraft, Mind Twist, etc.

[nedleeds]

Miserable. 3 year anniversary of Delver coming up though!

[Zombie]

Yes! I get to see more fun well-designed cards like TNN and Council's Judgment and getting all the fucking splash damage from them despite not playing either <3

Rope, please?

[Barsoom]

I'll just copy/paste what i wrote 4 months ago on MTG Salvation.

I don't think Wizards care for the Legacy banlist anymore, the last change they make was 2 years ago, June 2012, Land Tax unbanned, and the previous unban was December 2010 for Time Spiral.
I would like to have some card come off from the list, like Earthcraft, Mind's Desire, Memory Jar, Black Vise, Mind Twist, Survival of the Fittest, Yawgmoth's Bargain (cause Griselbrand is better). I'm all for the "let's try to unban something, maybe 1-2 cards at a time, to see if it can works without breaking the format.
The last months i was waiting the banlist announcements hoping for something to shake up the format but all the time i was disappointed, so now i don't care anymore.

Legacy
No changes

My feeling is that they just care for Modern, and that's all. If nothing changed for the last 2 years, nothing will change for the next 2 years too.

So you remain with 2 ways you can follow:
Do you like play to play with/against Branstorm, in a stagnant format with 85% blue-based decks with a "set in stone" banlist?
Yes -> Play Legacy.
No -> Play Modern.

[HSCK]

From what tournaments are telling me this is easily the most open Legacy's ever been, I have no idea what the issue is except for, "BLUE!!!!!!"