View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

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  • Brainstorm

    16 8.33%
  • Force of Will

    4 2.08%
  • Lion's Eye Diamond

    35 18.23%
  • Counterbalance

    34 17.71%
  • Sensei's Divining Top

    103 53.65%
  • Tarmogoyf

    46 23.96%
  • Phyrexian Dreadnaught

    2 1.04%
  • Goblin Lackey

    4 2.08%
  • Standstill

    6 3.13%
  • Natural Order

    8 4.17%
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Thread: All B/R update speculation.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    If not being able to play with Black Vice is the price I have to pay in order to avoid Wizards from meddling with the only player-moderated format left in the game, then so be it.
    Yeah, my pet deck retained its niche in the meta. Why aren't more people happy about that?
    Everybody's so selfish.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew View Post
    Yeah, my pet deck retained its niche in the meta. Why aren't more people happy about that?
    Everybody's so selfish.
    For the record, I play almost exclusively non-blue decks, but am still an advocate for Dig Through Time (and Brainstorm and Top and Show and Tell) remaining legal.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    If not being able to play with Black Vice is the price I have to pay in order to avoid Wizards from meddling with the only player-moderated format left in the game, then so be it.
    Yes. This x 10000. I didn't think of conveying it that way but I love what it articulates, the player's decks can help level out dominate decks and the format should be as open as possible.




    But.....I was surprised that where wasn't some kind of restriction for something in vintage shops, that shit is broken, even for vintage.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    For the record, I play almost exclusively non-blue decks, but am still an advocate for Dig Through Time (and Brainstorm and Top and Show and Tell) remaining legal.
    That was sort of my point. I wasn't pretending to be you above, I was pretending to be me. My deck is totally nichie-er.

    I don't think my deck is as good if Brainstorm and Top are banned. Old fashioned Sneak and Show wrecks me though, so Show and Tell could be banned. I shouldn't be allowed to have any bad match-ups since my deck loses mostly to itself.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltj999 View Post
    But.....I was surprised that where wasn't some kind of restriction for something in vintage shops, that shit is broken, even for vintage.
    Yet Mishra's Workshop is a 4 of in 25-30% of a large field. Brainstorm is a 4 of in 80% of a Legacy field. You people are demented and math impaired.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    So, for the next three month's (at least) we either play with DTT (Omni, Miracles or Grixis) or play with something specificly against DTT (Loam/Wasteland with enough angles to attack it)...
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    Yet Mishra's Workshop is a 4 of in 25-30% of a large field. Brainstorm is a 4 of in 80% of a Legacy field. You people are demented and math impaired.
    Did I say that shops should be restricted? No, B/c it shouldn't. I'm no vintage expert but some kind of restriction to slow the utter explosiveness of the deck. what that looks like is certainly not up to me.

    Also I wasn't commenting on the prevalence of a card...that one you assumed for yourself.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    DTT remains legal in the format? While I'm not suprised that Erik Lauer is a lazy PoS, it's terrifying that he leaves DTT in the format, even if it's just for another 2.5 months.

    Oh well, time to consider buying some Lilianas and switching to Aggro Loam.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Oh well, time to consider buying some Lilianas and switching to Aggro Loam.
    Which doesn't actually have a good match-up against Omni, so good luck with that.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    DTT remains legal in the format? While I'm not suprised that Erik Lauer is a lazy PoS, it's terrifying that he leaves DTT in the format, even if it's just for another 2.5 months.

    Oh well, time to consider buying some Lilianas and switching to Aggro Loam.
    Have fun having to actually mulligan, let us know when in round 6 you are deciding whether to keep that 3 land, liliana, punishing fire mull to 5 without the Magic-unmulliganer whether you are satisfied with your choice. I gave up and played cantrips last Thursday. Was pretty sweet not having to worry about ever being without action.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmans View Post
    So, for the next three month's (at least) we either play with Brainstorm, Ponder (Omni, Miracles or Grixis) or play with something specificly against Brainstorm, Ponder (Loam/Wasteland with enough angles to attack it)...
    DTT isn't the problem. Please let us know when it hits 1/2 the usage of Brainstorm or Ponder.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamajellydonut View Post
    How does "no changes" equate to them not caring about Legacy? That "no changes" was probably one of the best things I've seen all day, with its only real competition so far being pretty sweet cosplays of Domino.

    Barring the unbanning of utterly inconsequential cards like Hermit Druid, ham-fisted and irrational cavings such as unbanning Oath of Druids or an Affinity-level ban are the only other changes Legacy could have seen. If not being able to play with Black Vice is the price I have to pay in order to avoid Wizards from meddling with the only player-moderated format left in the game, then so be it.
    Hermit inconsequential? Have you tried putting up an hermit druid list in like, 5 mins? Hermit druid would shit all over the format, no thx.

    WotC don't care about legacy they've proven this time and time again. 0 reprint support, reserved list, ban of format defining age old cards (sotf), basically no unban ever after the first 2-3 years when they created the format.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    DTT isn't the problem. Please let us know when it hits 1/2 the usage of Brainstorm or Ponder.
    51% of the format plays it and 73% play Brainstorm. I guess your condition is already met
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nedleeds View Post
    DTT isn't the problem. Please let us know when it hits 1/2 the usage of Brainstorm or Ponder.
    Dig Through Time is in 51% of decks according to MTG Top 8. As neither Brainstorm nor Ponder are at 100%, it obviously is at over 1/2 the usage of either of those cards.

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    Anyone on the "ban blue goodstuff" train ever thought that maybe THE reason why Wotc does not want to ban them, is that it could result in an unhealthy metagame with at least half the field playing masturbation decks (combo) ?
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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adryan View Post
    Anyone on the "ban blue goodstuff" train ever thought that maybe THE reason why Wotc does not want to ban them, is that it could result in an unhealthy metagame with at least half the field playing masturbation decks (combo) ?
    Tell me how exactly a DTT ban would hurt combo less than midrange and control decks.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    Hermit inconsequential? Have you tried putting up an hermit druid list in like, 5 mins? Hermit druid would shit all over the format, no thx.

    WotC don't care about legacy they've proven this time and time again. 0 reprint support, reserved list, ban of format defining age old cards (sotf), basically no unban ever after the first 2-3 years when they created the format.
    I feel like you're not a jolly person and will never be satisfied no matter what is delivered.

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel

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    Re: All B/R update speculation.

    Wow! That happened quicker than I thought. Let the circular arguments begin!
    Remember to jump to conclusions and put as many words in your opponent's mouth as you can fit.

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    Great so I guess I'll sell Elves.

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