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    Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Show and Tell has evolved, and with it the deck became more consistent. Adding Omniscience secured more games and made the hate required to beat it much more narrow. We've gone from Gilded Drake to Oblivion Ring to Angel of Despair. Now, meet the latest tech you've been waiting for to not only trump this deck, but to do it with style.

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    Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment enters the battlefield, its controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares a card type with it. Exchange control of those permanents.
    I know I know, this card is obscure and should belong in the "unfun cards" category for EDH, but hear me out.

    Confusion in the ranks triggers for itself when it enters the battlefield. If your Know and Tell opponent casts Show and Tell and you put in Confusion and he puts in Omniscience, two triggered abilities go on the stack, one for Omniscience entering and one for Confusion entering. Both are on the battlefield and legal targets for each other. The trigger and exchange is also mandatory. Assuming they are the only enchantments on the battlefield the triggered abilities must target the other enchantment.

    Now, the targeting restriction for the trigger is "target permanent another player controls that shares a card type with it." This means that no matter whose turn it is, if one of the two triggers resolves, the other will no longer have a legal target (since your opponent now controls Confusion in the Ranks and not "another player") and will fizzle.

    If one OR BOTH of the triggers resolves you get Omniscience. The true value of this card is that your opponent needs two Stifle/Trickbind effects to beat it. Also, if you have any creature in play and they put in Griselbrand or Emrakul instead of Omniscience, they still have to Stifle/Trickbind the trigger or be forced to give you their creature (they still get to draw the cards from Griselbrand, but the same is true for Angel of Despair and Oblivion Ring). It has the same weakness as the current answers but with the added bonus of just trumping the most popular of the three options Know and Tell has when they cast Show and Tell (Omniscience, Emrakul, or Griselbrand). Even if they trickbind your trigger on an Emrakul/Griselbrand play, any creature you resolve becomes a Gilded Drake.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    I fail to see how this is better when Oblivion Ring is reasonably costed with many applications outside the Omni-Tell matchup and deals with any card put into play with Show and Tell. Confusion in the ranks only answers Omniscience, but each Show and tell deck plays at least 3+ creatures. Why would I want to play a card that has no use outside of this matchup and doesn't even answer their threats all the time? Also, to my knowledge Stifle is not played in these decks, so having two triggers go on the stack is pretty irrelevant and as such I would go for Angel of Despair if I absolutely wanted to kill something after a Show and Tell.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    I could have sworn I saw someone link a different blue enchantment that gained control of target permanent, I just don't remember where or what the card name was. At any rate, if my mind isn't just playing tricks on me, I would assume that would be alot better its capable of hitting whatever Show and Tell drops into play, and not just Omniscience. This card can turn future creatures into Gilded Drakes, but not every deck runs enough creatures to do that, and it still doesn't immediately answer the problem at hand (like the Grissly that just came into play and drew them a bunch of cards).

    Maybe someone else knows the name of the card I'm thinking of?

    (It may have been the same card, but I could have sworn the card said target permanent, without the conditional "types" on the one in the OP).

    Regardless, it's still a narrow answer that's pretty much limited to the Show and Tell matchup. Like Valtrix said, Obliviong Ring (and Detention Sphere) are good because they have a plethora of other uses. Those spells are good on their own, in matchups not containing Show and Tell.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Quote Originally Posted by Valtrix View Post
    I fail to see how this is better when Oblivion Ring is itself castable with many applications outside the Omni-Tell matchup and deals with any card put into play with Show and Tell. Confusion in the ranks only answers Omniscience, but if they just put a creature into play you're dead. Why would I want to play a card that has no use outside of this matchup and doesn't even answer their threats all the time?
    Not every deck can play Oblivion ring, and many of the ones that run Angel of Despair can only make use of it because of Show and Tell. As I said, Confusion's main goal is to trump Omniscience, but if you have any creature in play or can resolve any creature afterward they are essentially a Guilded Drake.

    EDIT: I'm not trying to say Oblivion ring in decks where it is castable is worse, but It's a powerful option if you're just going to include it in your random MUC variant and pray not to run into a Trickbind

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    I could have sworn I saw someone link a different blue enchantment that gained control of target permanent, I just don't remember where or what the card name was.
    Conjured Currency was probably it. Confiscate and Puca's Mischief both came to mind, but neither actually work in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by WarioMCP View Post
    EDIT: I'm not trying to say Oblivion ring in decks where it is castable is worse, but It's a powerful option if you're just going to include it in your random MUC variant and pray not to run into a Trickbind
    These decks don't play Stifle, and Trickbind hasn't been in any successful lists since stifle-naught days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanni View Post
    I could have sworn I saw someone link a different blue enchantment that gained control of target permanent, I just don't remember where or what the card name was. At any rate, if my mind isn't just playing tricks on me, I would assume that would be alot better its capable of hitting whatever Show and Tell drops into play, and not just Omniscience. This card can turn future creatures into Gilded Drakes, but not every deck runs enough creatures to do that, and it still doesn't immediately answer the problem at hand (like the Grissly that just came into play and drew them a bunch of cards).

    Maybe someone else knows the name of the card I'm thinking of?

    (It may have been the same card, but I could have sworn the card said target permanent, without the conditional "types" on the one in the OP).

    Regardless, it's still a narrow answer that's pretty much limited to the Show and Tell matchup. Like Valtrix said, Obliviong Ring (and Detention Sphere) are good because they have a plethora of other uses. Those spells are good on their own, in matchups not containing Show and Tell.
    It was volition reins, in the affinity thread, except it doesn't work as I wanted it to.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    From what I've seen the UR versions are playing trickbind in their sideboard for permanents the opponent puts in with triggered abilities like harmonic sliver, angel of despair, guilded drake, and o ring. The URb versions aren't since they run a thoughtseize.

    Confusion in the ranks allows the non blue decks to put something in that will deal with an omniscience, they already have answers to the creatures. I could see this coming in for goblins and dealing with the omniscience and if the know and tell player sticks a creature goblins could vile in a dude to take it.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    My bad on the suggestion... didn't realize that it doesn't work. Also, yes I was referring to Volition Reins.

    Regarding a matchup like Goblins... instead of running a narrow spell to address 1 matchup, why not splash white for Oblivion Ring instead? Aside from the fact that there was a recent high place finish by a white splash Goblins deck (for Thalia)... Oblivion Ring answers tons of other stuff too, Jitte/Batterskull, Engineered Plague, etc. Not as good as Krosan Grip for arts/enchants, but it deals with Show and Tell and can also hit other problematic creatures in other matchups.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Just run Spine if you want a super narrow but theoretically castable ETB solution.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    If you're going to use Confusion in the Ranks, you might as well use Norin the Wary for more shenanigans.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Volition reins does in fact work the way you want it to with show and tell i.e. you can in fact steal their griselbrand/omniscience/emrakul without them being to use it at all. This is because your opponent has to put a permanent into play via show and tell thus making the card they put in a legal target for volition reins. Or something along those lines.

    Confusion in the ranks <<<<< volition reins. I would much rather play the reins. Although I wouldn't play reins in legacy at all, as it is good against one card (show and tell) and nothing else.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Venser, shaper savant is better, as Show and Telled it will bounce Omniscience not allowing them to play anything but instants with the trigger on stack (Brainstorm and just that), and will bounce both Griselbrand and Emrakul.
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    I believe the point is that it gets around stifle effects.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Ritual View Post
    Volition reins does in fact work the way you want it to with show and tell i.e. you can in fact steal their griselbrand/omniscience/emrakul without them being to use it at all.
    No. It doesn't work like that.

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    Somebody has probably been metamorphing show n' telled Emrakuls.

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    That card actually looks pretty good on Goblins sideboard for example. Goblins will always have a creature in play, so it actually even answers Progenitus. Seems miles ahead of Angel of Despair in Goblins sideboard. Just imagine getting your opponent's Omni and dumping your whole hand and half your library on the table tapped and attacking next turn. There's no comeback from that.

    Fringe use too against decks with big creatures? Take my Matron give me your 7/7?

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

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    Just run Spine if you want a super narrow but theoretically castable ETB solution.
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    Why are we talking about cases where O-ring is uncastable? a) We are talking about Show and Tell. b) This is 5 mana, I don't know of a single red deck that plans to getting to 5 mana that doesn't have blue and white. Goblins is possible but I think I would rather throw in a Plateau and have O-rings
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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    The idea is: if you're playing an uncastable piece of hate, you might as well play the most powerful one. This one not only allows you to answers your opponent's threats, it allows you to steal them.

    The problem with this one is that if they go off for Griselbrand/Emrakul too fast (turn 1/2), you might not have a goblin on the table. Then they can just counter you next goblin and own you.

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    Re: Confusion in The Ranks: The Answer to Omniscience

    Quote Originally Posted by alderon666 View Post
    The idea is: if you're playing an uncastable piece of hate, you might as well play the most powerful one. This one not only allows you to answers your opponent's threats, it allows you to steal them.

    The problem with this one is that if they go off for Griselbrand/Emrakul too fast (turn 1/2), you might not have a goblin on the table. Then they can just counter you next goblin and own you.
    If you don't have a goblin on the table on turn 1 or 2, you're going to lose anyway.

    Confusion in the ranks is much stronger than oblivion ring assuming that you're sneaking it onto the battlefield. Oblivion ring merely equalizes the board, it's a 1-for-1. Confusion takes away their threat and gives it to you, which is a 2-for-1 in your favor.

    Is confusion better than oblivion ring in general? I don't know. As people have said, Oblivion ring is easier to hardcast and has utilities outside of the show and tell matchup. However, if you're going to side into an uncastable bomb like angel of despair, you should consider confusion since it's probably better.

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