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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Actually, Orzhov Pox does exist following the loam splash mentioned. Fracture & Vindicate are scary to be receiving. Problem is the budget, going dual lands on top of everything else is not an option for some. I'll point to someone we know who could speak better on the topic...

    https://strategy.channelfireball.com...rn-horizons-2/

    MTGO makes things a little easier to acquire. Time to give it a whirl.

    For the Legacy upgrade, Hymns, Sinks, but no dark rituals. Crucible sounds like an idea too.
    Last edited by OmniStrata; 10-02-2021 at 04:08 AM.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Actually, Orzhov Pox does exist following the loam splash mentioned. Fracture & Vindicate are scary to be receiving. Problem is the budget, going dual lands on top of everything else is not an option for some. I'll point to someone we know who could speak better on the topic...

    https://strategy.channelfireball.com...rn-horizons-2/

    MTGO makes things a little easier to acquire. Time to give it a whirl.

    For the Legacy upgrade, Hymns, Sinks, but no dark rituals. Crucible sounds like an idea too.
    The expensive part is not just limited dual lands, but also Mox Diamonds being favored over rituals as a mana accelerant. While it does work in Modern to some degree, I haven't seen anyone pull off BGW Pox off well, but give it a whirl if you are curious.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by BlogBoy View Post
    The expensive part is not just limited dual lands, but also Mox Diamonds being favored over rituals as a mana accelerant. While it does work in Modern to some degree, I haven't seen anyone pull off BGW Pox off well, but give it a whirl if you are curious.
    Yes. The loss of Dark Ritual is quite backbreaking and unfortunately, as you said, I can't afford the diamonds. How ironic that the Legends cards which cost mortgage payments irl are dirt online yet the Mox Diamonds, Urza;s Saga & Karn cost more in data than in paper. That and all my matches saw me wastelanded into submission. Lands, D&T & Delver are the most popular decks. Cutting off all my mana wasn't hard for them. Sticking to mono-B comes with a very relevant pro: heavy resistance to mana screw. Granted, we lose on color hate towards artifacts but that's what Powder Keg and Null Rod are for. Maybe a Feed the Swarm equivalent for artifacts could be printed? Time will tell.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    This slow-depths-ish list did extremely well in the mtg paper legacy invitational.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    This slow-depths-ish list did extremely well in the mtg paper legacy invitational.
    I would be interested to know how many games the 20/20 won for him. No way to find the A or the B, seems like it would be a really scary threat your opponent would be occupied with handling, meanwhile the rest of the deck is slowly chipping in. 14 discard spells counting Tourach himself, he's liable to be a big boy by end of game.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    I would be interested to know how many games the 20/20 won for him. No way to find the A or the B, seems like it would be a really scary threat your opponent would be occupied with handling, meanwhile the rest of the deck is slowly chipping in. 14 discard spells counting Tourach himself, he's liable to be a big boy by end of game.
    In the finals game I watched discard into 20/20 would have won the game if he was not super tired. I think it was 5 am in Dubai or wherever he was and so he didnít cash in immediately. On the ops turn they played a known wasteland which lost him the game.

    Discard is so bad at grinding right now I like the ability to immediately present a fast win-con. Lilianas and Bobs donít beat uro or thought monitor as grindy topdecks anymore. But the grind doesnít matter if you are killing them right now. Doomsday and Death Shadow are the best thoughtseize decks right now for that reason.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    In the finals game I watched discard into 20/20 would have won the game if he was not super tired. I think it was 5 am in Dubai or wherever he was and so he didnít cash in immediately. On the ops turn they played a known wasteland which lost him the game.

    Discard is so bad at grinding right now I like the ability to immediately present a fast win-con. Lilianas and Bobs donít beat uro or thought monitor as grindy topdecks anymore. But the grind doesnít matter if you are killing them right now. Doomsday and Death Shadow are the best thoughtseize decks right now for that reason.
    Ultimately, I vehemently disagree with the DD approach. That begs the question, why not play Turbo Depths instead of an inferior version? Same reason I don't play Hogaak Pox. Pox archetypes flop for me when I stop pure disruption paths. Some would probably do better with the transformational sideboard of 4 Leyline of the Void and X helm of Obedience. I've tested those variants before but in gunning for setting up the combo, I leave my opponent alone to play their game instead of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Ultimately, I vehemently disagree with the DD approach. That begs the question, why not play Turbo Depths instead of an inferior version? Same reason I don't play Hogaak Pox. Pox archetypes flop for me when I stop pure disruption paths. Some would probably do better with the transformational sideboard of 4 Leyline of the Void and X helm of Obedience. I've tested those variants before but in gunning for setting up the combo, I leave my opponent alone to play their game instead of mine.
    I am not going to say I am a great pox player. But I found the pure control variants to feel terrible since they didnít actually win the topdeck war that they are designed to get the game into. Nothing traditional Liliana pox has is a better topdeck than ragavan, murktide, uro or even a vial + a recruiter. At least with a combo that requires a specific answer you can thoughtseize their answer and then kill them before they find another one.

    The only version that could out topdeck the blue piles was loam saga versions, since either saga or loam would put you massively ahead from parity.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    This slow-depths-ish list did extremely well in the mtg paper legacy invitational.
    From my understanding that isn't a Pox deck, that's monoblack aggro (Bob, Thoughtseize, Voidwalker, 0 Smallpox, 0 manlands/Saga) with Depths combo thrown in. It looks closer to what we were brewing in the Rogues thread. That sort of deck isn't trying to play grindy attrition even though it has a lot of overlap cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    From my understanding that isn't a Pox deck, that's monoblack aggro (Bob, Thoughtseize, Voidwalker, 0 Smallpox, 0 manlands/Saga) with Depths combo thrown in. It looks closer to what we were brewing in the Rogues thread. That sort of deck isn't trying to play grindy attrition even though it has a lot of overlap cards.
    Yah I believe it was self described as monoBlack dead guy ale, which is probably more appropriate.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Wrong Deck for the wrong thread? Pox's biggest hindrance is attacking all but one resource: Graveyards. Testing an Ashiok+Liliana Brew that hides behind Ensnaring Bridge. It seems to do well in metas that are degenerate on tutors and GY recursion. Swapping in the Null Rod when Sinkhole is not enough post board is key.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4337260#online
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