View Poll Results: How would you feel if Wizards abolished the Reserved List?

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  • Positively, and suspect my opinion is the majority.

    179 77.49%
  • Negatively, and suspect my opinion is the majority.

    14 6.06%
  • Positively, and suspect my opinion is the minority.

    9 3.90%
  • Negatively, and suspect my opinion is the minority.

    15 6.49%
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    5 2.16%
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    Poll: Reserved List

    With all the discussion to whether or not people would be happy or hurt over changes to the Reserved List, I wondered what the actual bulk of opinions here are. I have my hunches but I'll keep quiet until after some results.
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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    This poll is not representative of how the magic-playing community would react. There's pretty heavy selection bias going on.

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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    It doesn't matter if there was a 90% majority or even higher. A class action suite against wizards would be a big problem for them. They're never getting rid of the reserved list. 100 people are all it's going to take to stop it from happening.

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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

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    True, the poll is only representative of those participating.

    In debates over the Reserved List, the point is always made that Chronicles upset enough players to bring about the thing in the first place, and thus, any changes or abandonment to the policy would equally upset and equal number of players. While by no means closure, I thought it to be interesting to have numbers generated by the very people I was talking to as reference.
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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayotte View Post
    This poll is not representative of how the magic-playing community would react. There's pretty heavy selection bias going on.
    The majority of the magic playing community are kitchen table/casual players. I doubt they would care about the reserved list or even know what it is.

    Of the people that would be impacted by reserved list reprints, I think this poll would show it. I don't know how large the commander population is on the source, but I doubt they would bitch about the chance to get more reserved list staples.

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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    It will upset old collectors and players. Players that don't really buy packs. The same players Time Spiral block was made for but didn't support it (which made the block one of the biggest flops sales-wise).

    So why should WotC appease to them?

    I personally think WotC has fixed this problem: make cards that will cost a lot in recent sets. Look Jace, Fetchlands and other standard money cards.

    This guarantees that the if you support their business; once in a while you get a pat in the back. I know a guy that drafts all the time. Back in Innistrad/Dark Ascension season, he opened enough Lilliana from draft that he had enough "money" to build the rest of his Modern (and now going to be Legacy) Jund.

    That said, I still do not like the Reserved List.

    I think the point I'm trying to get through is that eternal players like to complain but if WotC listens to them, they don't really support them.
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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    Agree with the problem of selection bias. You're asking players, who are more likely to want to play.

    Can we just get something like this stickied so people can be thrown to it every time a thread turns into complaining about the reserved list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    It will upset old collectors and players. Players that don't really buy packs. The same players Time Spiral block was made for but didn't support it (which made the block one of the biggest flops sales-wise).

    So why should WotC appease to them?

    I personally think WotC has fixed this problem: make cards that will cost a lot in recent sets. Look Jace, Fetchlands and other standard money cards.

    This guarantees that the if you support their business; once in a while you get a pat in the back. I know a guy that drafts all the time. Back in Innistrad/Dark Ascension season, he opened enough Lilliana from draft that he had enough "money" to build the rest of his Modern (and now going to be Legacy) Jund.

    That said, I still do not like the Reserved List.

    I think the point I'm trying to get through is that eternal players like to complain but if WotC listens to them, they don't really support them.
    I hope people realize that the fact that standard money rares are as expensive as they are, is also the reason why eternal cards are as expensive as they are. A Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil should never cost more than The Abyss or Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, so if cards like liliana of the veil become 100$ cards, guess what happens to out of print eternal staples? Sure as hell not going to trade them away for less than a standard mythic rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruizar View Post
    I hope people realize that the fact that standard money rares are as expensive as they are, is also the reason why eternal cards are as expensive as they are. A Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil should never cost more than The Abyss or Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, so if cards like liliana of the veil become 100$ cards, guess what happens to out of print eternal staples? Sure as hell not going to trade them away for less than a standard mythic rare.
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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    24 hours out and at least you have to give credit that the majority of respondents are aware of how their own views reflect those around them.
    Apologies towards the indifferent, I probably should have just given you a sing choice, since I'm sure you are equally indifferent to how your opinion falls.
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    It doesn't matter if there was a 90% majority or even higher. A class action suite against wizards would be a big problem for them. They're never getting rid of the reserved list. 100 people are all it's going to take to stop it from happening.
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    That's because it is silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    That's because it is silly.
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    A legal issue against WotC in case they "break the promise given concerning the Reserved List" has no chance. I have trust in the US law regarding such stupidity
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    Re: Poll: Reserved List

    Abolishing the reserved list would cause collectors and older players to lose a huge amount of the value of their collection. All of that value would be transferred to Wizards, since they would be the ones who could make the reprints and cash in. New players would be excited to buy the previously reserved cards and also gain a lot of value by purchasing the reprint products that Wizards makes.

    It sounds like a typical redistribution of wealth. Take from the players who have already invested thousands of dollars and give it to the new players. Of course, the new players aren't actually receiving valuable tangible goods. The value that they receive is the ability it play with these cards for much cheaper than normal. All the while, Wizards stands to make huge profits as long as the majority of players happen to be on the receiving end of the redistribution.

    How come people don't just play with proxies? People already do proxied vintage tournaments. If legacy is really as popular as people say it is, and if the cards really are prohibitively expensive, then why not hold proxy tournaments? Go to your local game store and ask them to hold proxy legacy tournaments. They wouldn't make any more money by running normal legacy tournaments anyway since people aren't buying the cards from them.

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    I would rather see it modified with small, annual reprints the increase the amount of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post
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    A legal issue against WotC in case they "break the promise given concerning the Reserved List" has no chance. I have trust in the US law regarding such stupidity
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    I dont think we need Dual Lands to be tanked to 10 bucks, but I do think prices should come down a bit. Like has been said, it needs to be prohibitive enough that not everyone can just derp around in legacy. It's barriers of entry should block out the players who arent ready and willing to an extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I dont think we need Dual Lands to be tanked to 10 bucks, but I do think prices should come down a bit. Like has been said, it needs to be prohibitive enough that not everyone can just derp around in legacy. It's barriers of entry should block out the players who arent ready and willing to an extent.
    Why? They would add more money to the prize pool without ever winning anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavio View Post
    Why? They would add more money to the prize pool without ever winning anything.
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    I like playing against people that understand how the game works. One reason I really hate playing at prereleases is the people who are playing for their first time dont understand how the game worls...
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