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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by Emrakul503 View Post
    I would love to see your full 75 actually. I am going off memory here, since I am not near my cards at the moment, but my list is something like:

    20 lands

    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    4 Noble Hierarch
    1 Glint-Nest Crane
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    4 True-Name Nemesis
    2 Leovold

    4 Brainstorm
    2 Thoughtseize
    1 Collective Brutality
    4 Force of Will
    3 Ponder
    3 Aluren

    SB: (so this is pretty atrocious and I threw it together in a bit of a hurry based on what I thought would see - usually DnT, T1 Blood Moon decks, Delver and Miracles)

    2 JTMS
    1 Engineered Plague
    2 BEB
    3 Surgical Extraction
    3 Abrupt Decay
    1 Jitte
    1 Marsh Casualties (I wanted to test it out and it did win me a game vs DnT, but could still probably be Dread of Night or another Engineered Plague)
    1 Reclamation Sage
    1 something I am forgetting right now

    The BEBs were pretty useless, as I played against DnT, Eldrazi and Storm. JTMS also did not feel that great, but the Engineered Plague was awesome vs both DnT and Storm (blanked his Empty that he had in hand). Jitte I wanted to try vs DnT/Stoneblade/RUG Delver, but I did not get a chance to. Decay still felt sort of necessary in a fairly open meta, and I did get to hit Sanctum Prelate and SoFI with it, so I feel good about keeping those in. There was almost no combo or Blood Moon in the room, so the BEB/Flusterstorm slot is still up for debate. I think the Marsh Casualties will stick around for now, too.

    What do you think? I do want to find a place for Sylvan Library now that you mention it. Also I could see a Liliana, The Last Hope finding its way in here somewhere. Maybe instead of a JTMS.
    JTMC seems more for control decks like Miracles. As for LLTLH, I would not run any cards that cost more than 1 black in this iteration. I cut mine and went up to 2 Dread of Night, which gives me a very strong board against D&T.

    I don't know what BEB stands for.

    I don't like running more counterspells than FOW in a deck that cascades. Shardless into FSS instead of THZ seems really bad.

    I ended up cutting my Jitte for a second Fatal Push. I love that Crane can get it, but I've lost a lot of games drawing it instead of something like Push or Diabolic Edict.

    Your list is almost the same as what I have. I just don't run any Ponders

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    I just won MKM trial in Prague (4:0) with this list:


    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    4 Veteran Explorer
    1 Glint-Nest Crane
    3 Aluren
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Fatal Push
    1 Abrupt Decay
    4 Force of Will
    1 Bayou
    2 Forest
    2 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Polluted Delta
    2 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    2 Underground Sea
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Ponder
    4 Cabal Therapy

    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Vendilion Clique
    2 Faerie Macabre
    1 Dread of Night
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Abrupt Decay
    2 Diabolic Edict
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Hydroblast
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    1 Toxic Deluge


    I beat Death and Taxis, Storm, Affinity and BR Reanimator.

    Originally I took deck of TrueKnightMare (twitch video up) and changed it little bit. The deck was shining but quite hard to navigate (especially with the lands - keeping hands, fetching and deciding what and when play). Sometimes I had weird combinations of mana. But I love the deck.

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by fapsik View Post
    I just won MKM trial in Prague (4:0) with this list:


    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    4 Veteran Explorer
    1 Glint-Nest Crane
    3 Aluren
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Fatal Push
    1 Abrupt Decay
    4 Force of Will
    1 Bayou
    2 Forest
    2 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Polluted Delta
    2 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    2 Underground Sea
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Ponder
    4 Cabal Therapy

    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Vendilion Clique
    2 Faerie Macabre
    1 Dread of Night
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Abrupt Decay
    2 Diabolic Edict
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Hydroblast
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    1 Toxic Deluge


    I beat Death and Taxis, Storm, Affinity and BR Reanimator.

    Originally I took deck of TrueKnightMare (twitch video up) and changed it little bit. The deck was shining but quite hard to navigate (especially with the lands - keeping hands, fetching and deciding what and when play). Sometimes I had weird combinations of mana. But I love the deck.
    Did you consider phyrexian tower?

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Not sure if its been discussed, but what about the recent 5-0 list by Otaba on mtgo? Anyone test out punishing fire in aluren?

    4 Baleful Strix
    1 Cavern Harpy
    4 Deathrite Shaman
    1 Eternal Witness
    3 Imperial Recruiter
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Man-o'-War
    1 Parasitic Strix
    3 Shardless Agent
    2 Ponder
    2 Abrupt Decay
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    3 Punishing Fire
    4 Aluren
    1 Bayou
    1 Forest
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Polluted Delta
    1 Swamp
    1 Taiga
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Underground Sea
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Volcanic Island


    1 Abrupt Decay
    2 Cabal Therapy
    2 Carpet of Flowers
    2 Duress
    1 Faerie Macabre
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Reclamation Sage
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Thorn of Amethyst
    1 Toxic Deluge

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by GradStudent View Post
    Not sure if its been discussed, but what about the recent 5-0 list by Otaba on mtgo? Anyone test out punishing fire in aluren?
    He 5-0'ed with another list as well - looks like back to back weeks with Aluren, but slightly different take.

    Creatures (18)
    3 Veteran Explorer
    4 Baleful Strix
    1 Cavern Harpy
    1 Eternal Witness
    1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Man-o'-War
    1 Parasitic Strix
    3 Recruiter of the Guard
    3 Shardless Agent
    Spells (17)
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Cabal Therapy
    3 Ponder
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Abrupt Decay
    Enchantments (5)
    1 Sylvan Library
    4 Aluren
    Lands (20)
    1 Bayou
    2 Forest
    1 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    1 Phyrexian Tower
    3 Polluted Delta
    1 Savannah
    1 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    1 Underground Sea
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    Sideboard (15)
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Duress
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Abrupt Decay
    1 Containment Priest
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Reclamation Sage
    1 Toxic Deluge
    1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
    4 Force of Will
    75 Cards Total

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Ran into Cartesian on modo playing like 15 cards I had to read yesterday. Not sold on the Birds of Paradise playset but we'll see. Veteran Explorer seems a little better to me but also awkward.

    For myself, I've dusted off the Tundras and am playing ANT and UW Standstill/Miracles instead.

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    I feel that the slightly different take is because the first list had DRS, and since it got banned, the second list got a new take.
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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by fapsik View Post
    I just won MKM trial in Prague (4:0) with this list:


    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    4 Veteran Explorer
    1 Glint-Nest Crane
    3 Aluren
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Fatal Push
    1 Abrupt Decay
    4 Force of Will
    1 Bayou
    2 Forest
    2 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Polluted Delta
    2 Swamp
    1 Tropical Island
    2 Underground Sea
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Ponder
    4 Cabal Therapy

    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Vendilion Clique
    2 Faerie Macabre
    1 Dread of Night
    1 Sylvan Library
    1 Abrupt Decay
    2 Diabolic Edict
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Hydroblast
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    1 Toxic Deluge


    I beat Death and Taxis, Storm, Affinity and BR Reanimator.

    Originally I took deck of TrueKnightMare (twitch video up) and changed it little bit. The deck was shining but quite hard to navigate (especially with the lands - keeping hands, fetching and deciding what and when play). Sometimes I had weird combinations of mana. But I love the deck.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moneymakermich View Post
    Did you consider phyrexian tower?
    Awesome! I've been seriously considering going down to 3 Aluren too. With all the creature removal in the format today it can be hard to get a 2 creature combo going. I played a tournament last night where I never cast Aluren and saw multiples of it as a dead draw...

    Did you like just 3?

    My other candidates for the slot are: abrupt decay, Jitte (seems really important to have lifegain with all the true names around), or thoughtseize

    Also wondering how you liked Golgari Charm? Seems like it kills too many of our own creatures...

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Otaba 5-0 a legacy constructed league with BUG Aluren! Looks like it's mostly the same, replacing DRS with flip Jace and IoK. Not sure how it would fare against a play like T1 Lackey though. Note that there are no veteran explorers and one of each basic.

    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    2 Hymn to Tourach
    3 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Ponder
    3 Abrupt Decay
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    3 Aluren
    2 Bayou
    1 Forest
    1 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Swamp
    2 Tropical Island
    2 Underground Sea
    4 Verdant Catacombs


    1 Abrupt Decay
    1 Back to Basics
    2 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
    1 Plague Mare
    2 Surgical Extraction
    3 Tarmogoyf
    1 Toxic Deluge

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    I've been looking to get back into playing Aluren again and I'm interested in Otaba's list with the Veteran Explorers. However, I was wondering if anyone can help me with this question I have about the Man'o War.

    Why the Man'o War? I thought the deck used to run Arctic Merfolk so that the opponent can't respond to you returning your creature but with Man'o War, your opponents can now respond right? Is the advantage of being able to bounce opponent's creatures so valued that you're willing to accept the disadvantages?

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Another 5-0, this time from Japanesefisherman. Similar to Otaba's list. Seems like 4 IoK is the DRS replacement, with a flex between flip Jace or Coiling Oracle. One of each basic too.

    4 Baleful Strix
    3 Cavern Harpy
    1 Coiling Oracle
    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1 Parasitic Strix
    4 Shardless Agent
    2 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Ponder
    3 Abrupt Decay
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    3 Aluren
    2 Bayou
    1 Forest
    1 Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Swamp
    2 Tropical Island
    2 Underground Sea
    4 Verdant Catacombs


    1 Back to Basics
    2 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Diabolic Edict
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    1 Plague Mare
    2 Surgical Extraction
    3 Tarmogoyf
    1 Toxic Deluge

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    I'm testing this on MTGO, except for the 3 tarmogoyfs and the BTB in the SB because... I don't have it. Instead I'm playing Sylvan Library and some extra GY hate.
    I'll write some feedback if interested.

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaker View Post
    I'm testing this on MTGO, except for the 3 tarmogoyfs and the BTB in the SB because... I don't have it. Instead I'm playing Sylvan Library and some extra GY hate.
    I'll write some feedback if interested.
    Please do! I'm debating sleeving this up myself because it seems right up my alley!

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaker View Post
    I'm testing this on MTGO, except for the 3 tarmogoyfs and the BTB in the SB because... I don't have it. Instead I'm playing Sylvan Library and some extra GY hate.
    I'll write some feedback if interested.
    Yes please! Why must you tease us?

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaker View Post
    I'm testing this on MTGO, except for the 3 tarmogoyfs and the BTB in the SB because... I don't have it. Instead I'm playing Sylvan Library and some extra GY hate.
    I'll write some feedback if interested.
    Question: Fairly new with the deck, why do we play IoK > Thoughtseize?

    Thanks.

    Also is there a SB guide for this deck anywhere? I need to know what to shave in certain match-ups, I know what to bring in (usually).
    Where do the Tarmos line up?

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostXEmpire View Post
    Question: Fairly new with the deck, why do we play IoK > Thoughtseize?
    I've actually never played the deck, but I am willing to guess.

    Think of all the Cavern Harpy combos. Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix, Coiling Oracle, each cost 1 life to re-use. You don't really want to Cascade into Thoughtseize, taking two more points of damage. Your life points in a build like that really matter, and you're searching for that one Parasitic Strix. No recruiters to serve as further outs. I can imagine sometimes, you'll be unable to find it, and instead you'll just fire off Cascades into Discard/Removals and pass.

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Quote Originally Posted by troopatroop View Post
    I've actually never played the deck, but I am willing to guess.

    Think of all the Cavern Harpy combos. Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix, Coiling Oracle, each cost 1 life to re-use. You don't really want to Cascade into Thoughtseize, taking two more points of damage. Your life points in a build like that really matter, and you're searching for that one Parasitic Strix. No recruiters to serve as further outs. I can imagine sometimes, you'll be unable to find it, and instead you'll just fire off Cascades into Discard/Removals and pass.
    Pretty sure that's the case. Playing without recruiters hurts a lot your life points. I'm testing the recruiter/veteran explorer version, with 3 seizes and 4 therapies. What I could say that I'm surprise with this version. You can swipe the op's hand with seizes, tharapies, recap therapy. Get advantage with Library, Shardless and strixes. With so many Big Reds, having 2 forest helps a lot (veterans are amazing)...

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    Here is the list I am going to try next FNM:

    Land (21)
    2x Bayou
    2x Forest
    2x Island
    4x Misty Rainforest
    2x Polluted Delta
    1x Swamp
    1x Thespian's Stage
    2x Tropical Island
    1x Underground Sea
    4x Verdant Catacombs

    Enchantment (3)
    3x Aluren

    Creature (15)
    4x Baleful Strix
    3x Cavern Harpy
    1x Coiling Oracle
    2x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    1x Parasitic Strix
    4x Shardless Agent

    Instant (10)
    2x Abrupt Decay
    4x Brainstorm
    4x Force of Will

    Sorcery (11)
    3x Cabal Therapy
    4x Living Wish
    4x Ponder

    Sideboard (15)
    1x Bojuka Bog
    1x Cavern Harpy
    1x Dark Depths
    1x Dread of Night
    1x Essence Warden
    1x Faerie Macabre
    1x Maelstrom Pulse
    1x Mistcaller
    1x Parasitic Strix
    1x Plague Mare
    1x Prowling Serpopard
    1x Reclamation Sage
    1x Scavenging Ooze
    1x Sylvan Safekeeper
    1x Toxic Deluge

    It's probably a dumb idea, but WTH. I actually have 2 legacy FNMs coming up soonish so if it doesn't end up working, I'll shave the DD/Stage for the 4th cabal therapy and another Living Wish target in the sideboard.

    I really like the idea of cascading into Living Wish, so it's worth a couple of attempts for me (with and without the Coiling Oracle/Stage/Dark Depths thing). Sometimes things seem amazing on paper though and don't work out in practice, so we'll see!

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    Re: [Deck] Aluren

    How does everyone feel about all the new lists running 2 SFM + a set of Hierarchs?

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