by no means is giant growth better than stoneforge mystic, i was simply implying that alot of times stoneforge feels out of place when you are trying go * tempo* mode.
I played D&T for 2 years straight, i know pretty well what hes capable of doing lol :D.
on an oter note, i played a local tournament this friday for a playset of tropical island. Finished 3rd and lost in the semis vs dark bant :(. im pretty sold on this deck and theres still alot of room for testing since the deck is realy young. Might try to go back to edric if i try and put more creatures in the deck.
Took this deck to a 44-man tournament and split the finals against 4-color loam (we were both tired and my ride had been waiting for the whole top-8)
Round 1
GW Vial Maverick
Game 1:
He starts off with a Weathered Wayfarer and I start off with a mother of runes, he never gets to activate the wayfarer, I get a Jitte out and finish off with a batterskull.
Game 2:
Turn 1 Hierarch into turn 2 Stoneforge for Jitte sealed the deal rather early
1-0 matches, 2-0 games
Round 2:
Enchantress
Game 1:
Enchantress player didn't manage to do much relevant in this game and I landed Edric and some equipment
Game 2:
He got an early Elephant Grass that stalled into double Energy Field and a Rest in Peace. I HAD managed to get him down to 6 but I couldn't get rid of both Energy Fields =(. Mirri's Guile did heavy work for him this game
Game 3:
He again stalled with Elephant Grass and I just built up a huge board for when he had to sac it (he was stuck on 2-3 mana) and swung for a whole bunch.
2-0 matches, 4-1 games
Round 3
BG Goblins
Game 1:
I had a Familiar with exalted that beat on him for a few turns, he got a Piledriver online but at that point I'd gotten some equipment and a TNN so it was curtains for game 1
Game 2:
I got double hierarch and a TNN early, he Pyrokinesis'd my hierarchs and used Warren's Wierding to get rid of my TNN, I wasn't able to recover.
Game 3:
Managed to counter his relevant stuff and get through with my own, I got a Jitte going and managed to keep his threat density low. One HUGE mistake I did was when I just assumed his Tarfire was uncounterable due to Cavern of Souls, causing me to lose a stoneforge AND a Mother of Runes due to a sharpshooter. Edric drew me like 10 cards this game.
3-0 in matches, 6-2 in games
Round 4
UWR Miracles
Game 1:
Landed an early Stoneforge, Familiar and an Edric, he couldn't find the Terminus.
Game 2:
Got some light beatdown with a familiar, he then landed a one-off Izzet Staticaster he was trying out. Cue complete breakdown of deck.
Game 3:
I landed some early threats but held back a hierarch and a stoneforge for the inevitable terminus. It came and I followed up with an exalted Batterskull that he couldn't remove.
4-0 in matches, 8-3 in games
At this point I double-drew into top-8 as 1st seed but played round 5 for fun
Round 5
UG Food-Chain
Game 1:
He combos early and had FoWs for my FoWs
Game 2:
Here and in Game 3 we both make dumb mistakes. I get a turn 1 needle for Food-Chain and none of us realize it doesn't work, I blame the fact that we had already agreed to draw the match so we played sloppy. Without the combo I can get the Edric draws going and he has problems doing anything relevant against my draws and equipment.
Game 3:
Slow and grindy, the needle comes down again and he even exiles the food-chains to thin the deck and draw a card. Looter il-Kor does heavy lifting.
Top-8:
Quarter-Finals
Elves
I've always had problems with elves, not just with this deck but in general. I just think it's hard to combat.
Game 1:
he turn 2 glimpses and just pukes up a gazillion elves into a turn 3 NO. I die horribly.
Game 2:
REALLY close game, I get a batterskull online, he Viridian Shamans it, I bounce, play it, he bounces and play shaman. Rinse and Repeat for 3-4 turns until I get 7 mana and play and re-equip to Looter il-Kor for a big hit as I had 2 Hierarchs out. He the wrecks it on his turn and I finish him with two more hits from the looter.
Game 3:
He tries to get an early NO which I stop, then we stall out for a bit. I land a playset of Hierarchs and a Looter equipped with a Sword of Fire & Ice and a Batterskull, that's when it ends.
off to semis
Semi-Finals
BUG Delver
Game 1:
He never manages to get a good board presence and I beat him with a Judge's Familiar backed up by a Mother of Runes and a Noble Hierarch. We both spent our early game wastelanding and dazing eachother's stuff so I was just able to salvage my board more easily thanks to smoother draws I guess.
Game 2:
He lands a Tarmogoyf that ends up irrelevant as I had a Jitte and stuff, he tries to put a Tombstalker in the way of my familiar but I had the plow, it was just the kind of game where I had all the answers and he didnt.
When the second semi finishes I asked the winner if he wanted to split, which - he also being tired - he wanted. He was on 4-color loam and sounded a bit regretful of drawing when he found out what deck I played as he thought it was a good matchup. I don't doubt him as I don't know what I'd do against Punishing Fire. We ended up splitting 2 Modern fetch and a playset of FoWs, me getting the Scalding Tarn and the two FoWs in worse condition.
It was the first time I played the deck and I was very pleased with its performance, the Looters and the TNNs felt very vital as ways to definitely get damage through for Edric and equipments. I think I might try to put the mothers in the SB as they weren't very useful. I also had some bad times where I had an Edric and a bunch of Hierarchs against an empty board and couldn't capitalize on it.
I had two Council's Judgement in the board and was quite happy with that, otherwise the list was pretty stock.
What was the name of this tournament and is there a full top 8? I'd like to add it to my data collection for June. Congrats on the finish, are you just using the stock list?
Thanks for the report! I was the guy that you split with, good times with two new/fringe decks in the finals.
We are still waiting for the organizers to put the top8 on some site.
But until then, the tournament was listed as 'Storlegacy' (which means Big Legacy in swedish) and was played at the venue Dragon's Lair in Stockholm, Sweden.
The top8 looked like this, I think:
Quarter-finals:
4 Color Loam vs. UW Stoneblade
Noble Fish vs. Elves
Shardless BUG vs. Food Chain
BUG Delver vs. Zoo
Semi-finals:
4 Color Loam vs. Shardless BUG
Noble Fish vs. BUG Delver
Final:
Noble Fish vs. 4 Color Loam (split)
I was looking at some of the Vintage Noble Fish decks and noticed some old tech of Meddling Mage + Gitaxian Probe. I've seen a couple people mention trying Mages MD and Probe certainly isn't a bad card for a tempo deck to be running.
Probe is better with an action spell behind it (Mage, Stifle, Therapy). I think unless we main Mages or Stifles (not a terrible idea, IMO) probe won't be worth the inclusion otherwise
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Yeah, I meant adding Probe alongside the Mages in particular, sorry if I wasn't clear. Stifle/Pierce or even Revokers seem good too.
I've been switching between this and Shardless Thopters as of late and was wondering if anyone has experimented with Thopter Sword in the board? I'm testing out 3 Thopter Foundry and 1 SotM along with the one E tutor I already run. This would be for grindy match ups where we might not have the velocity to win.
Hey Tenbin, sweet performance.
From what you stated - does your list look a little something like this:
4 Noble
4 SFM
3 Looter
3 TNN
3 J's familiar
2 Qasali Pridemage
(19)
1 Skull
1 Jitte
1 Sofi
(3)
4 STP
4 BS
3 Ponder
4 FoW
3 Daze
(18)
4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
2 Windswept Heath
3 Tundra
2 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
(19)
SB:
4 Flusterstorm
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Rest in Peace
2 Council's Judgement
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
2 Supreme Verdict
2 Engineered Explosives
What's different? What would you change? Why?
I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but have you considered invisible stalker over looter? Seems like he carries equipment better, can block, technically better under edric...
Looter's filtering is really important and becomes insane with Edric.
I think this deck looks really cool, but (and this might be a loaded question) does it really perform? How many top 8s in large tournaments? I'm thinking about forking out for a third beta Tundra and I need a reason that isn't Miracles or Esperblade.
It's had one or two good showings, is exceedingly fun, but might struggle at an Open.
This thing is dying to TNN hate splash damage.
I would definitely run this deck if TNN is banned
I like the maindeck Pridemages rather than Mother of Runes, but I'd take 3 Edric before 3 Ponder any day. I like the SB as well =).
@Kobe, I agree with your assessment about it dying to TNN hate, in the tournament I didn't face any hate, but I did face the one-off Izzet Staticaster that the miracle player was trying out. it REALLY ripped the deck apart.
I feel that it's worth trying Deathrite. The 2 toughness helps, being able to attack as a swarm with Edric would also help. I realize Deathrite would cause the deck to rely a bit on the graveyard but it might help more than it detracts; will test.
Is anyone still working with this deck?
I imagine -1/-1 effects will become pretty common with the amount of UR in the meta but looter also seems like a good way to fuel TC or DTT.
It seems none of the active members on the source are working on it, but I know people in the US who has done well in paper tournaments with the deck recently, small time tournaments with duals and wastes on the line for example. Not opens.
I think Treasure Cruise would be a cool addition to the deck although it takes away the aspect of not relying on the GY at all. I don't think the UR delver "hate" is really relevant since people would rather play UR delver than hate on it. And that's also why D&T is doing well lately.
I saw you pop up on a Daily at 3-1 a few days ago Bahra, what do you think of this deck in the new metagame?
Hey there noble fishers ! just found out there is a thread about this edric bant deck. I've been playing this deck for a while now and i must say that it is better than it looks at first glance.
Now that treasure cruise is gone, Edric can be, again, the card drawing we need. I've read all post from the beginning and i'm still unsold on the looters. I understand very well that they connect easily with swords and edric, but still, i'm not convince. One of the looter slots can be switched for a sylvan library, wich have done wonders for me thus far.
I also think we must adress the manabase. I don't believe that playing 4x wasteland and 4x mana dork is enough to support 19 lands total. we need more lands, something like 21-22 lands. Wasteland is back in force and we need a solid manabase.
Here's my list for reference.
creatures:
4x noble hierarch
4x judge's familiar
4x stoneforge mystic
3x edric, spymaster of trest
3x true-name nemesis
spells:
4x daze
4x brainstorm
4x force of will
4x swords to plowshares
1x sylvan library
1x batterskull
1x sword of fire and ice
1x umezawa jitte
lands:
4x wasteland
4x windswept heath
4x flooded strands
4x tundra
4x tropical island
1x karakas
sideboard:
3x thalia, guardian of thraben
2x meddling mage
3x rest in peace
1x gaea's blessing
1x manriki-gusari
1x llawan, cephalid empress
1x path to exile
2x pithing needle
1x supreme verdict
My sideboard is really metagame dependant as there is 2x merfolks and 2x miracles in the top players at the local game shop. The lone gaea's blessing has been wonderful so far escaping the combo high tide (yes still see play !) and imperial painter.
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