I'm doing some research on the MTGO meta and I wonder which are THE WORST matchups for each deck, like nigh unwinnable bad. Be specific enough, not just like "Deck X loses to counters."
Feel free to contribute match-ups and/or other decks to the list:
RUG Delver
BUG Delver
UWR Delver
Goblins
Shardless BUG
Jund
Maverick
D&T - Elves
Miracles
Esperblade
Deathblade
4x Lands/Loam Control
12 Post
Burn
Belcher
Oops! All Spells!
Painter
Elves
Storm
Reanimator
Sneak & Show - D&T
Omnitell
RUG Delver - Pox
BUG Delver - Merfolk or Burn?
UWR Delver - Lands
Goblins - Zoo
Shardless BUG - Elves or Merfolk
Jund - Burn or Omni/Sneak Attack (with Leyline)
Maverick - Belcher or Miracles
D&T - Belcher or Elves
Miracles - 12-Post
Esperblade - 12-Post
Deathblade - Jund?
4x Lands/Loam Control - High Tide
12-Post - Pox
Burn - Reanimator or any Show and Tell strategy with Leylines
Belcher - Reanimator
Oops! All Spells! - Reanimator
Painter - Burn or Goblins
Elves - Reanimator
Storm - Team America or Dragon Stompy
Reanimator - Miracles
Sneak & Show - Death and Taxes
Omnitell - UWR Delver (Edit: changed to Reanimator, after noticing someone else's response)
Dredge - B/W Helm Combo
The Delver strategies pretty much don't have an "unwinnable matchup" because the combination of tempo counters, mana denial, and a blistering fast clock will ensure you're at least in every game.
Last edited by lordofthepit; 07-22-2014 at 11:56 PM.
Reanimator's worst matchup is probably BUG / Deathblade. Deathrite Shaman, counter magic, Thoughtseize and often Lilly main let them interact with you in every zone, and can lock you out from ever really being "in it" fairly often. Post board, many of them also have access to either Scavenging Ooze, Surgical Extraction, or both. Miracles probably was the deck's worst matchup, but then they cut their best card in RIP from the main for some reason and went down to like, two on the board. In the past year, Miracles has gotten much easier for reanimator pilots that know the matchup, so BUGx gets my vote for current nemesis, with Maverick close behind.
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Yeah, I forgot about Belcher for D&T. That's an abyssal match-up for D&T as well.
Doesn't Shardless really struggle against Painter with all those moon effects, too?
RUG Delver -> Pox ?
BUG Delver -> Elves !
UWR Delver -> ?
Goblins -> Oops all spells - If good combo/gravehate sideboard then it's probably a Pfire deck.
Shardless BUG -> Burn !
Jund -> ?
Maverick -> ?
D&T -> Elves
Miracles -> Cloudpost !
Esperblade -> Cloudpost !
Deathblade -> ?
4x Lands/Loam Control -> Omnitell
12-Post -> Pox ?
Burn -> Reanimator
Belcher -> Reanimator
Oops! All Spells! -> BUG Delver or reanimator
Painter -> Omnitell !
Elves -> Reanimator or some Pfire control
Storm -> MUD
Reanimator -> BUG Tempo ?
Sneak & Show -> Death and taxes !
Omnitell -> Reanimator !
Dredge -> Miracles helm ?
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Maveric due to DRS/Ooze? I don't know, they normally switch to the S&T plan post-board. D&T also has decent game against Reanimator.
Is it the Monogreen or the UG variant that does well versus various control decks like Miracles or doesn't it really matter that much?
RUG Delver - Dredge, Nic Fit, 4c Loam, maybe pox? With the "typical" SB, Id vote Dredge.
BUG Delver - Burn
UWR Delver - ???
Goblins - Deathblade, Zoo, Reanimtor, Belcher/Allspells. They are all terrible.
Shardless BUG - Painter or Burn or S&T. Probably Burn being the worse.
Jund - Burn, Painter or S&T. S&T probably the worst.
Maverick - Miracles or Belcher
D&T - Elves or Jund
Miracles - 12 Post, then Goblins
Esperblade - 12 Post
Deathblade - Burn. Then, Shardless BUG or Jund.
4x Lands/Loam Control - ??? High Tide makes a lot of sense to me. I also know this MU always feels super easy with Miracles.
12 Post - ??? Omnitell, or pox maybe? Depending on the build/SB, reanimtor or storm might be tough too
Burn - Belcher/All spells/Storm/Reanimator
Belcher - ??? Not sure what the actual WORST matchup is. Maybe Team America? Daze, discard, FoW, AND null rod/pneedle AND golgari charm.
Oops! All Spells! - Miracles or anything that runs leyline of the void
Painter - Burn???
Elves - Esperblade, Jund or Reanimator
Storm - MUD, Miracles, Team America
Reanimator - Miracles
Sneak & Show - D&T or Reanimator
Omnitell - ??? This always feels really easy with Miracles
High Tide - ??? Again, this always feels really easy with Miracles
Dredge - Miracles or Reanimator
Affinity - Nic Fit or DeedStill
Nic Fit - Show and Tell, 12 Post or MUD
Merfolk - Goblins
MUD - ???
12 Post hates playing against storm. More than half of the sideboard is designed to fight this matchup.
I think BUG delver is definitely merfolk or elves
RUG Delver - Dredge or Pox, but I suspect that Pox is just too slow for it to be that bad
BUG Delver - Merfolk or Burn
UWR Delver - I've never played this deck, and only played against it with Shardless BUG and BUG Control. It sure feels lopsided from Shardless's perspective.
Goblins - Belcher or Oops! All Spells!
Shardless BUG - Without MD Deluge, Painter or D&T. With Deluge, Burn or Painter
Jund - Lands?
Maverick - Miracles or Glass Cannon combo (Belcher, Oops...)
D&T - Elves
Miracles - 12-Post
Esperblade - 12-Post
Deathblade - Probably Shardless BUG or Jund, though I can't imagine Pox or RUG Delver is particularly good.
4x Lands/Loam Control - High Tide or Miracles
12 Post - RUG Delver or Storm
Burn - Fast combo
Belcher - BUG Delver
Oops! All Spells! - BUG Delver
Painter - Burn? Enchantress has a pretty good matchup here, too.
Elves - Miracles
Storm - BUG Delver, MUD
Reanimator - Miracles
Sneak & Show - D&T
Omnitell - MUD, BUG Delver, Miracles
BUG Control - Loam Pox
Enchantress - Omnitell
I think you play Deathblade to beat RUG Delver honestly. Isn't that the point of any blade deck?
I forgot about Maverick. Ya, that might be a tough one for MUD. Delver isn't so bad. Infact, MUD is probably even favored if it doesn't lose to its own draws. Basically ever card they cast is a must answer for delver and sticking a wurmcoil ends the game.
Deathblade is definitely favored over RUG. And a good elves player with a recent list vs a good miracles with a recent list, its almost 50/50. Miracles is probably still favored, but its very slight. Elves has adapted a lot lately to beat that deck. It has a much harder time with stuff cheap effective removal like stp and ZP followed up by Jitte and backed up with counters. I agree with your other statements though, btm.
I play a lot of RUG and if you play against the normal variant of death blade (with no basics) I would call the match up even. You sometimes waste stifle then bolt deathrite and win other times they go first and they play deathrite on turn 1 and win off the fact you never get to functionally deny mana.
If they play basics you almost can't win
Reanimator is a good suggestion, but what do you mean by Pfire control? Miracles, Jund? Jund is fine.
Esperblade and Jund shouldn't be in there.
For my votes:
Elves - Reanimator, LED Dredge. Miracles, Storm, UWR Delver are all unfavourable but can be fought. Those two are just abysmal though, LED Dredge especially. Everything Elves does is just too slow and/or too small. Against reanimator stuff is just slow but at least your gravehate works.
Storm - Reanimator. Faster combo deck with Force = sad times.
Originally Posted by Lemnear
For Uwr delver the worst matchup is Pox and not Lands. Lands is still winnable with a very fast start
Reanimator worst matchup is not Miracles is UWR delver.
Manaless Dredge - G2 & G3 vs. anything with a good SB
Pfire control doesn't mean a punishing fire deck OR a control deck. It means a control deck playing punishing fire. Not really established archetypes but I have seen several times grixis or rug pfire control decklists.
Nic fit decks with Pfire could also enter that category depending on the decklist.
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