The guy who piloted it was on my friend's team. He just recently picked up the deck i think.
Not sure I like the 5th fetch
Solnox on MTGO
Miracles is a good matchup for depths. Quote me on this
Griselbrand is not an interesting creature.
Dread it. Run from it. Marit Lage still arrives
Hey, this is Dan, guy from GP Santa Clara. Never posted here but I figured now would be a good time. As you noted I’m relatively new with the deck. Added the fifth fetch because I felt like I was having some mana problems after running the deck through 7-8 leagues on Modo. It’s felt good to me, but I’m obviously a relative newcomer. Curious to hear other thoughts on the list.
Hey Dan-- great job representing Turbo Depths at GP SC! Could you do a write up of your matches at some point? I'm curious what you ran up against and how it went.
Thoughts on the list:
I like the split of Sylvan Libraries 1x main 1x sb. I used to do that and have been thinking about going back to it.
I too have thought about the 5th fetch--I agree the manabase is pretty sketchy, especially in matchups where you board out fast mana. Did it ever feel like too many mana sources?
Why no expedition map?
I am not a fan of Spheres in paper meta. Did you play any Storm? The only other matchup it seems actually good is maybe Omnitell, which is rare to see. I don't necessarily think it's even good against Sneak n Show, though I suppose it does something. I'd rather use those slots for Rite of Consumption :-)
Did the Mishra's Factory come in handy? I used to run it and it never quite seemed worth it, and I ended up deciding it was unnecessary. But some people like that or Dryad Arbor.
How was Choke? It seems a bit "control-y" for Turbo Depths.
I used to run the 4th needle in the board then decided to forgo it eventually but have recently thought about putting it back in. How was it?
If you're interested I can post my current list. It's relatively stock but has some different choices, especially SB, just based on my testing and experience.
Congrats on your finish!
An interesting take on Dark Depths top 8'd the MKM series Frankfurt tournament this weekend as well.
http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/cov...t-2018-legacy/
If you're wondering how I produce blue mana, I copy my opponent's Island with Thespian's Stage
My Youtube and Twitch usernames are DNSolver.
I am the Legacy metagame:
-2016 Eternal Weekend Europe won by BR Reanimator (I wrote the primer)
-2016 Eternal Weekend North America won by Turbo Dark Depths (I write about and develop the winning version specifically)
-Refiner of Hogaak Depths.
Thanks!
I’ll try to do a write up to the best of my ability at some point, no promises in the quality, haha.
Not sure about the libray split, literally the first list I picked up had this split and it’s always felt good so I’ve never changed it.
Regarding the extra fetch, I’ve never felt like I have too much mana. This deck uses its mana very well. There are matchups where I will SB our mana sources, but I don’t feel at all like my list has too much.
Expedition Map just felt too slow/clunky to me whenever I drew it while testing. Into the North is obviously less versatile, but I found that the spots where the ramp/cost benefit outweighed the “any land” benefit were more common. There are turns where Into the North is literally the best draw in your entire deck. It would take a lot of convincing for me to play map again.
I never brought in the spheres. I won’t be using them going forward in blind paper fields unless the meta shifts radically.
Factory won me exactly one match. Good enough for me.
Same with Choke - this card won me a game (and in turn, round) that no other card could have. I’ve found it’s extremely good against Miracles because the games go so long - if they’re Choked, rebuilding several times per game isn’t that tough. Against delver, ramping out a a Choke can also be an easy way to mise a free win. I’d always want to board one in against them if I had it. I was happy with the card.
If anything, for this tournament I would have wanted a fifth needle/spyglass. I played Lands four (maybe five?) times, and DnT once. No way I’m dropping the fourth needle.
Happy to see your list, more dialogue is good. FYI, if you wanna see me beat Jacob Wilson on camera, it’s at 3:24 at the following link:
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/216345278
:P
Cheers!
Haha, GQing his fetch was classy AF. Yeah I will copy my list below, though I think I will be making a few small changes in preparation for the Worcester Open in early March.
4x Dark Depths
4x Thespian's Stage
3x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Verdant Catacombs
2x Bayou
1x Llanowar Wastes
1x Snow-Covered Forest
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Sejiri Steppe
4x Vampire Hexmage
2x Sylvan Safekeeper
4x Elvish Spirit Guide
4x Lotus Petal
3x Pithing Needle
1x Expedition Map
2x Into The North
4x Crop Rotation
4x Sylvan Scrying
4x Thoughtseize
2x Duress
1x Collective Brutality
2x Gitaxian Probe
Sideboard:
3x Rite of Consumption
1x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
2x Sylvan Library
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Krosan Grip
1x Karakas
1x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Collective Brutality
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Ground Seal
1x Murderous Cut
I'd like to move 1x Library main, make room for a 4th needle SB, and potentially add a 5th fetch (and replace Llanowar Wastes with my 3rd Bayou). I may cut 1x Into The North main to do this, and maybe an ESG. My deck is pretty much fully altered so I labor over these decisions. Once it is 100% done I'll post some Depths porn for you all :-)
Regarding spheres, I've recently tested a postboard configuration of -4 sphere, +1 Kgrip & +3 Dark Confidant and am liking what I'm seeing. Storm is just not popular enough to justify the 4x slot and RB reanimator is already an incredibly good mu. If anything, I'd prefer to dedicate slots to the S&S mu.
I have one theorical question:
-Player A is playing a version of Dark Depths that includes Hymn to Tourach against Player B who plays Miracles
-Player A cast Hymn to Tourach
-Player B has 7 cards in hand
one is FoW and he has at less two other blue cards (Predict and Ponder)
When we can expect he use FoW to counter our Hymn to Tourach?
-only if he has more than one FoW in hand
-only if he has strong cards like planeswalker or Snapcaster in hand
-only if he has Humility or Karakas in hand (in G2 or G3)
-never
- other answer
could you help me? Thanks in advance.
i play free mtgo and had tabernacle in sideboard. i just took it out looking for better alternative. the games i felt it helped out im not really sure it would vs an alternative and i think too many circumstances would need to line up. like first doesnt produce mana so really want with urborg. and probably have to waste a tutor to get it. maybe a discard or kill would hsve just been better. problem it doesnt stop opponent just hinders thrm, so they just gonna keep paying the creatures and beating you, while slowing you down too. i not find i sideboarding for it often either.
Chances are the miracles player will force if they need to make land drops and are scared of getting their lands hymned, or if they need something like a plow as their piece of cheap interaction with the rest of their hand being clunky. Essentially if any one card in their hand is worth more than two other cards at that point and for the near future.
x-post from r/mtglegacy:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=18057&f=LE (TD winner 167 player event)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c...ap&sh=00e839ed
bitterblossom & tireless tracker SB
Considering the new cards of Rivals of Ixalan,what about SB The Inmortal Sun ?
Legendary Artifact
Players can't activate Loyalty abilities of Planeswalkers.
At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card.
Spells you cast cost 1 less to cast.
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
CC is 6
PW-hate, ramp, CA and pump our Hexmagues in one card...
Yeah I got a good facepalm out of that comment. Nice troll.
If you're wondering how I produce blue mana, I copy my opponent's Island with Thespian's Stage
My Youtube and Twitch usernames are DNSolver.
I am the Legacy metagame:
-2016 Eternal Weekend Europe won by BR Reanimator (I wrote the primer)
-2016 Eternal Weekend North America won by Turbo Dark Depths (I write about and develop the winning version specifically)
-Refiner of Hogaak Depths.
You all laugh now but wait until you Rite of Consumption a D&T player for 20 and they StP their Mom in response... then you'll wish your Marit Lage had that +1/+1 bonus.
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