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    Shadows over Innistrad

    So Shadows is starting early, with some of the cards already leaked online. I am not going to post the card images here (because that seems dumb) but there are some mechanics to look at:

    Investigate (Keyword on some spells):
    Put a colourless artifact on the table with (2), Sac: Draw a card.

    Delirium:
    If you have four or more card types in your Graveyard; Kicker.

    Madness:
    You know what this does.

    Flip cards are back, the flip Token has 24 spaces on it.

    Most interesting card I saw was Envelop with an Extraction effect (of countered spell) tacked on if you have Delirium.
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    yay, +1 for Madness. One of my favourite mechanics of all time. I hope they print some good enablers.

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    please don't post card images its dumb
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    Re: Shadows over Innistrad

    Edit #2: Spoiled cards so far in more readable text form

    Invasive Surgery

    Seems like a major "Fuck you" to any sorcery-based combo. Great sideboard card.

    Story-wise, Nahiri is back and she's mad as hell about the whole Eldrazi ruining Zendikar thing, thus she went to Innistrad to get back at Sorin.

    Edit: Delirium seems like it has alot of potential. It's basically "Tarmogoyf: The mechanic" and we all know damn well how fast a Goyf can grow to 4/5 even without the help of an opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Invasive Surgery

    Seems like a major "Fuck you" to any sorcery-based combo. Great sideboard card.

    Story-wise, Nahiri is back and she's mad as hell about the whole Eldrazi ruining Zendikar thing, thus she went to Innistrad to get back at Sorin.

    Edit: Delirium seems like it has alot of potential. It's basically "Tarmogoyf: The mechanic" and we all know damn well how fast a Goyf can grow to 4/5 even without the help of an opponent.
    Yeah, the fact that it exile the countered spell make it good already, but extract effect too? Sick card for anti-combo. Probably printed to give Modern some strong anti-combo permission since FoW ain't there, but i can see this easily being played in legacy too.

    Counter and exile all terminuses/entreats vs miracle.
    Counter/exile all infernal tutors vs storm.
    extract all visions vs BUG all SnT? Pretty good too.

    The only thing i don't like is the trigger condition making this basically a card only for tempo decks basically.

    I don't understand also the artifact mechanic.

    EDIT: ok saw the spoilers.
    The other cards are also somewhat interesting:

    2GG
    Flash
    You can discard a land from hand as this ETB, if you do, put a 2/2 wolf in play.
    4/3

    I like this a lot, flash 6 power on the board for 2GG. Probably not legacy playable but i like multiple body creatures in general, plus land discarding can be a plus in some decks.


    Expose Evil 1W
    Instant
    Tap up to two target creatures
    Investigate (put an artifact token OTB with 2, sac: draw a card).

    This is basically post-cycling for spells. This card isn't good, but the mechanic could be cute for some decks, especially Red-based ones with artifact swap effects, affinity, plus things that care about sacrifices.

    Dance with the Devils 3R
    Instant
    Put two 1/1 devils OTB with "when this die, deal 1 damage to any target"

    This is a cute combat trick + value. Can killblock a 4/4, or multiple smaller weenies. Limited bomb probably (it's uncommon for a reason i guess).

    Watcher of the web 4G
    Reach
    Can block up to 7 additional creatures
    2/5

    Pretty fun spider i guess :D

    Structural Distortion 3R
    Sorcery
    Exile target artifact or land, deal 2 to the controller.

    A little pushback on land destruction power level? Crumble to dust remain probably still the best non-basic land hoser, but this is interesting as it's essentially pillage that exile and deal 2 for 1 more. Could see even standard play i think.

    A flip green creature too. Flip cards are horrible but i like their implication in the gameplay as they fit really well in prison archetypes. Can't wait for the new blue broken flip card! Jokes aside maybe this time we get actually good non-blue flip creatures.

    Fiery Temper got reprinted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    I don't understand also the artifact mechanic.
    It gives you a delayed cantrip effect in artifact form that costs . Maybe there's synergy with sac permanent effects or cross-block synergy with the next block, assuming it's artifact-based.

    As it stands, it's a really weird mechanic.

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    Builder for 2G, 2/3 or 3/3 and may return a land card from your graveyard to hand upon entering the battlefield.

    This is a really interesting card. If we get some good return land cards , and i guess we will since there's a "discard land" theme, mox diamond decks could get much stronger, and again, fetches BOHOO. This is essentially a 3/3 for 2G that return a fetch/wasteland to your hand. It's already borderline playable and it's a common. I know witness exist but this is tomb-mox castable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Really cool stuff so far. I love investigate, and delirium is obviously rather easy to achieve. New Envelop is going to hurt combo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
    Builder for 2G, 2/3 or 3/3 and may return a land card from your graveyard to hand upon entering the battlefield.

    This is a really interesting card. If we get some good return land cards , and i guess we will since there's a "discard land" theme, mox diamond decks could get much stronger, and again, fetches BOHOO. This is essentially a 3/3 for 2G that return a fetch/wasteland to your hand. It's already borderline playable and it's a common. I know witness exist but this is tomb-mox castable.
    I think this guy is a 2/3. I don't think it's that playable (unless other stuff comes to support it). We already have Cartographer.

    Also, Skulk is a new evasion mechanic:

    we think there is a blue creature with casting cost 1U, P/T 2/1, and the text "Skulk (This creature can't be blocked by creatures with greater power.)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsthethird View Post
    Really cool stuff so far. I love investigate, and delirium is obviously rather easy to achieve. New Envelop is going to hurt combo.



    I think this guy is a 2/3. I don't think it's that playable (unless other stuff comes to support it). We already have Cartographer.

    Also, Skulk is a new evasion mechanic:
    Damn in the original madness block too. I guess it's worse than i thought, i really wanted this to be good. Harvest Wurm that can return anything wotc PLZ

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    New cards look promising.

    I think since we've seen 2 new mechanics + Madness that Flashback is not in the set and a snapcaster reprint is not happening.

    Liliana of the Veil is an interesting one since it works so well with madness, but they tend to use PWs to advance the story and I think she's old news. I am excited for new madness cards though to play with my Lili set in Modern.

    Kind of funny that they essentially made a new threshold that's even more of a pain to keep track of.

    One thing I hope we see: A punisher for colorless cards. Nahiri seems pissed and this could be a white ability. And I have serious Eldrazi fatigue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    New cards look promising.

    I think since we've seen 2 new mechanics + Madness that Flashback is not in the set and a snapcaster reprint is not happening.

    Liliana of the Veil is an interesting one since it works so well with madness, but they tend to use PWs to advance the story and I think she's old news. I am excited for new madness cards though to play with my Lili set in Modern.

    Kind of funny that they essentially made a new threshold that's even more of a pain to keep track of.

    One thing I hope we see: A punisher for colorless cards. Nahiri seems pissed and this could be a white ability. And I have serious Eldrazi fatigue.
    They just wrote an article yesterday that Liliana of the Veil was too powerful for current Standard, despite not dominating the first time.

    Her new PW incarnation might as well have a discard ability, like Liliana, Heretical Healer.

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    Re: Shadows over Innistrad

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Edit #2: Spoiled cards so far in more readable text form

    Invasive Surgery

    Seems like a major "Fuck you" to any sorcery-based combo. Great sideboard card.

    Story-wise, Nahiri is back and she's mad as hell about the whole Eldrazi ruining Zendikar thing, thus she went to Innistrad to get back at Sorin.

    Edit: Delirium seems like it has alot of potential. It's basically "Tarmogoyf: The mechanic" and we all know damn well how fast a Goyf can grow to 4/5 even without the help of an opponent.
    Invasive Surgery looks as a solid sideboard card. See ya later Show and Tell....

    Dead Weight is also interesting. Replaces Disfigure, can be applied to a little more scenario's and feeds Goyf.
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    Re: Shadows over Innistrad

    Just saw higher quality pics. Skulk is indeed a thing, there are 24 flip cards confirmed and Delver is not among them. (I don't think there are any flip reprints but I don't remember all the old names.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Just saw higher quality pics. Skulk is indeed a thing, there are 24 flip cards confirmed and Delver is not among them. (I don't think there are any flip reprints but I don't remember all the old names.)
    No there are more i think, because the card is CH1.

    Dead weight is a reprint from INN

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    Dead Weight? Can't see it anywhere.
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    Dead Weight? Can't see it anywhere.
    It is on salvation. Dead Weight, costs B, Enchant creature - gets -2/-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmans View Post
    Invasive Surgery looks as a solid sideboard card. See ya later Show and Tell....
    That card is borderline maindeckable as a 1-of in some Delver shells, and completely changes Delver's relationship with cards like Terminus postboard. I've Enveloped a Ponder more than once, and taking all of someone's Ponders in the Delver mirror is far from terrible. Loam? Ancestral Vision ? Sign me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmans View Post
    It is on salvation. Dead Weight, costs B, Enchant creature - gets -2/-2
    Ok. But that's not a flip card. I was saying that none of the flips looked to be reprints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice_Box View Post
    Ok. But that's not a flip card. I was saying that none of the flips looked to be reprints.
    I never said it was a flip card. I just see some use for that card over Disfigure and feeds Goyf. But only to find that i get pointed towards the fact that it is a reprint...
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