No European Legacy GPs in 2017

[MGB]

Question: how expensive is it to fly to Las Vegas and get a hotel room there?

I've never been, but I imagine it's kind of on the high side, dollar-wise, especially in the middle of June. Just what is a rough ballpark estimate on that cost for people who *have* traveled there for GPs?

[iatee]

Vegas is actually much cheaper than you're imagining. There are a ton of hotels in the city, if you look online and are crafty about it you can find some special offers, under $100 a night. Flights are usually fairly reasonable.

[Sidneyious]

Out of curiosity, where is your area? There's no location listed on your user profile. Are you in Europe?

The beef state, mtg is not so big here but still bigger than most.

For me it's about 200$ - 400$ for a flight to vegas, still out of my reach as nothing happens in the months I don't work(seasonal labor).

The months I work it's go time with almost no break, I need a new job but I hate having to work 5 years to get a week off every year to do an event like this.

[igooazoo]

guys do u read there is an eternal weekend at march in paris.... this sounds to me like a leagcy event

It is not a GP.

[Hopo]

, I need a new job but I hate having to work 5 years to get a week off every year to do an event like this.

That system of yours sucks so much if you are a worker. In comparison, here in Finland we get the minimum of 5 weeks per year paid time off after working one full year. You also get paid pretty much double pay during your vacation.

[H]

That system of yours sucks so much if you are a worker. In comparison, here in Finland we get the minimum of 5 weeks per year paid time off after working one full year. You also get paid pretty much double pay during your vacation.

We here in the US cannot fathom this sort of thing. If you work in some industries (like health care, for example) you can get a few weeks (3 or so, iirc) but 5 is pretty much unheard of. I can get 2 weeks at 3 years in, but that's all.

[Sidneyious]

That system of yours sucks so much if you are a worker. In comparison, here in Finland we get the minimum of 5 weeks per year paid time off after working one full year. You also get paid pretty much double pay during your vacation.

Yep

Joys of my seasonal labor is I get 4 months vacation that's partly paid.

The boss files a tax form so we get unemployment, yet we move snow so we get the maximum allowed per week in a check. Then cash when we do move snow, problem is, the extra 500$ a month is needed.

So I do stuff on the side but still it barely helps pay for the hobby after all is said and done.

I refuse to play standard, why pay x amount for cards when they are useless in a few months.

Draft is boring and I get nothing worthwhile out of it for future decks.

Modern is a joke and just as expensive as most legacy decks I would want to play.

As it is my burn and affinity decks are dropping in price because popularity and lack of new cards to make it a competitive deck in a format like legacy.

I should just sell it all off and forget this game exists.

[Manipulato]

Wow you guys kill me! And Germans are known for "hard working" in the world. I have 7 weeks + 2 days vacation each year without counting the overtime which are about 3 weeks at the end of the year
I would die having just 1-2 weeks holiday each year

[Lemnear]

Wow you guys kill me! And Germans are known for "hard working" in the world. I have 7 weeks + 2 days vacation each year without counting the overtime which are about 3 weeks at the end of the year
I would die having just 1-2 weeks holiday each year

7 Weeks? What da hell! Dare I ask which business trait you are working in, because the usual is 24 days of vacation (BUrlG).

[Stan]

Belgian civil service here, job on the road. 26 days standard vacation, plus six half days per two month-block (if you don't take them in that timeframe, they're gone). Plus four days per year to take care of sick family members, and unlimited overtime which accumulates (counted at 150% for night- and Saturday shifts, and 200% for Sundays and holidays). I took five weeks of vacation/overtime during this Summer, took the second half of December already and I still have between 15 and 20 days left.

I don't get it. You guys revolted and took down the British Empire over a stupid boat filled with tea, but you'll accept work with no real vacation lying down without a fight.

[Julian23]

There's been some heavy political indoctrination in the US post WWII, especially during the Cold War era. Like, they had some really chill presidents that would do a lot for workers' rights (New Deal, anyone?). But in the 2nd half of the 20th century and even up until now, anything related to workers' rights and improving the life of the general population has this whole scary "socialist" stigma to it. And everyone knows that that's bad, right? In fact, socialism has been pretty terrible and my country is still financially suffering from the effects it had on East Germany. But 99% of times you hear an American politican (even Sanders, unfortunately) talk about socialism, you can just shake your head at the blatant ignorance of both political science and history. Most of the time, what they actually mean is Social Democracy, which is one of the leading political influences in European politics, responsible for a lot of those perks we're mentioning here — and has also been completly absent from the American political spectrum post WWII. Obama has made some effort and Sanders actually sounded like a regular social democrat. So there's definitely some progress.

I also hear workers' unions are considered the devil over there, which I guess is another issue. Apparently because their leaders often used to be involved with illegal stuff.

[Mr Miagi]

capitalism slavery and they are eating it with full spoon, gotta make that 1% even richer and it's everybodies dream to be that 1% eventhough they don't realizie there is still 99% diferential and they are in it .. nice brainwash ;) but we're derailing the thread again (interesting topic though).

On topic: I'm sure we all agree pro-tour invitations for Legacy GPs are pretty nonesential and not of concern for majority of legacy players, so in theory you could make argument that we do not need Legacy GPs as they are almost no requeired, or not in lieu of other current GPs/pro hunt settings. And to some degree it's true, legacy GPs do stick out a bit. But, Wizards removing Legacy GP and now completly removing two continents from the map is a statement. Statment that Wizards are publicly, yet as always very indirectively, saying we are now even more so than before dropping legacy support and this is to us a format of no interest. You have to realize that by doing so, legacy is falling from the visible spectrum of the Magic players and we will have less new players, we Will have to invest more time and energy to keep legacy alive and kicking (or in most cases not for it to die out). With this move we as legacy playerbase and potential MTG consumers are also loosing our power to influcence Wizards, as they are effectively saying we don't care for you.

All in all I think this is very concerning move from Wizards. With the abundance of GPs it would be really easy for them to allow the 3 legacy GPs, one per each contient. It would be great"promotion" to showcase some of the MTG history if nothin else. what we ahve now is full on retardedness. US getting two legacy GPs while the whole rest of the world gets none is beyond my comprehension.

Can we get a bit more vocal as a community and relay out message to Wizards, like really mass emails/twitts to Wizards? It has been done int he past and they tend to listen to feedback in the turnout is big enough. Hope you realize future of the legacy is at stake here.

[jmlima]

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I also hear workers' unions are considered the devil over there, which I guess is another issue. Apparently because their leaders often used to be involved with illegal stuff.

OT (or is it?...)

Don't need to go that far. Worker's unions are also the spawn of devil here in europe. Well, technically here in europe is only apparently until 2019, then we will drift away into the atlantic and become the new atlantis. After 'booting out' all those pesky europeans from the green and pleasant land. Then we will kick out everyone else, so that the island floats better, moving on bojo gas.

[Stan]

This is my last OT post on this thread, promised, but when people mention that trade unions mean nothing in America because the membership is so low, it should be noted that America is more heavily unionized than France, and in France you can't get any law passed if the unions disagree. It's not a matter of membership, it's a matter of organisation, and of support of the non-member colleagues.

https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=UN_DEN

[Manipulato]

7 Weeks? What da hell! Dare I ask which business trait you are working in, because the usual is 24 days of vacation (BUrlG).

I'm working at BayWa building materials, it's a wholesaler. But yes 30 days is the maximum normally.

[alastair]

Is the 2017 venue the same as past Vegas events, and does anyone have Hotel recommendations near to the venue.

[jrsthethird]

I don't get it. You guys revolted and took down the British Empire over a stupid boat filled with tea, but you'll accept work with no real vacation lying down without a fight.

240 years without any need to fight makes you really fucking lazy.

[jrsthethird]

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[Sidneyious]

Last OT post

Yes unions treat their workers well but if you want something good luck.

My brother worked for one for years and they gave him the shaft when he got injured.

The railroad is a better union but not by much.

Jrsthethird that's hilarious.

http://www.cardtitan.com/eternal_weekend

If it's so large why does wotc not see it needs the RL abolished?

[LOLWut]

Democratic socialism, with its faults, can work with the right demographics. Certain nations in Europe should mightily struggle in the future with the millions of hastily convened newcomers.

Agreed that Americans don't get enough time off.