Yes.
No.
Something else.
I believe this is another example of bad decision making.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ent-2017-04-24
Originally Posted by Aaron Forsythe
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I completely agree with OP. Miracles was the only competitive blue control deck in the format. Sensei's Divining Top was a powerful, skill intensive card that helped define Legacy as a format. If I wanted to watch people bash tarmogoyfs into Liliana of the Veil's, I'd go play Modern. And I say this as a TES player...
now brainstorm and i finally will play legacy again
I think Top was the wrong card to ban. Banning Top kills the entire archetype.
happy its gone, some people just far to slow with it
as much as i hate miracles, i want it in the format; AND... i just bought into painter/stone w/ 3 tops!
Ban (or just penalize) the slow players, not the card.
Fetchlands would be next to go if wotc is actually applying this thought process to Legacy. I don't think they are though and the time-saving argument is just an excuse to ban a non-creature deck that was powerful.
Glad I've spent years learning how to cast Doomsday :'D
I loathe Miracles. Like, haven't played Legacy in ~2 years because I got so sick of seeing it, and I still think Top was the wrong card.
Terminus was the real problem. We had very good control decks in this format that weren't completely oppressive with Top and Counterbalance legal. Now they've taken away the best/only non-blue consistency tool from the format. I can think of a half dozen other decks that are really hurt by this.
I think the biggest thing is the deep seeded emotional understanding that the right play is the right play regardless of outcomes. The ability to make a decision 5 straight times, lose 5 times because of it, and still make it the 6th time if it's the right play. - Jon Finkel
"Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings."
Banning either Counterbalance, or Terminus (or both, to make extra-sure) would have had a strong enough effect to weaken Miracles, I think. I'm sorry for the other decks that used Sensei's Divining Top as the only credible non-blue and non-green way to meddle with the top of their libraries :(
Well, I am no one and I am happy, so I think this thread is right on the money.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Unbelievable! After so many years they ban Top now! I hated CounterTop combo back then in 2007/2008, but a bit I admire that it takes some skill to pilot.
I admit Sensei's Divining Top is a overly strong card, but I think the unfair card of the CounterTop combo is Counterbalance because it always triggers for no cost and has always the potential to counter the spell which would always be a huge swing against the opponent. Sure, Counterbalance isn't good enough without library manipulation, but that doesn't make library manipulation broken. It's Counterbalance.
That said, I think it wasn't necessary nowadays to ban CounterTop. I would have banned Terminus, probably a few years ago. That might have sufficed to dial down the deck. An instant board wipe for just W is the real problem. Miracle is the broken unfun mechanic, not library manipulation with Top or Brainstorm!
Is the Miracles Deck dead now?
Is Mentor dead now in Legacy?
Shoulda been Counterbalance :(
WTF is WotC trying to do?? Don't they realize that Standard-esque creature-bashing is the way to get new players into the game, but the eternal formats are the way to keep players in the game??
People should start taking 30 seconds to resolve fetchlands, see what happens then.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
+1
People don't fetch 10+ times / game, one player with top will often top ten times in one game.
I am sure Wizards is taking the time argument into account, but them mentioning "a lot of people don't manage to use their top without slowing games down excessively" would just be met with 100% replies of "thats not me", so its futile to mention it.
Like what? Actual data says otherwise.
There's Nic Fit (which can run Library, although that has less synergy with Deed) and Painter. Maybe a few Storm decks somewhere in their 75. And some Tier 3.5 garbage nobody cares about. That's it.
Stopped playing Legacy because of Miracles almost a year ago. I'm glad I can finally pick the format up again.
As for the time argument, it was always silly Counter-Top was causing ban-worthy tournament delays in Extended, but exactly the same shit was fine in Legacy forever.
It was a form of non blue filtering used best by blue decks, and the decks hurt by it make up possibly a 1% of the format
It certainly sucks for those decks but I would argue some (Imperial Painter and Nic Fit) probably gain more from the lack of miracles.
Slow players will be slow, be it with Library or Guile or Scroll Rack or Top or fetchlands.
The purpose of any moat is to impede attack. Some are filled with water, some with thistles. Some are filled with things best left unseen.
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