Final disagreements fixed don't influence bannings, so I'm locking in the above bannings.
ROUND 14 OF SEASON 12: VINTAGE CREATURELESS BANNATHON has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 14, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 6th of July at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
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Oh, there were tons of better options. I just that that it wouldn't matter and that Sheltered Valley was too boring, so I went with the funny card. I couldn't decide whether to make my land play off of the treasures or the creature types. I've been a fan of Griffin Canyon since it came out. And I've always wanted to own an Elephant Graveyard (first for "constructed", i.e. kitchen table, then later for cube), but I started playing in 1995 and it was too expensive by then for child me.Originally Posted by Asthereal
If only silk had thought to use Sheltered Valley instead of that Vault, so we would know he could never die to his own wincon.
A little late with my results here, but let's see if mass discard worked out. Losing Peat Bog hurts on the draw in any sort of discard mirror but there isn't really a way to replace it.
1. Asthereal (TO): Azorius Chancery, Faerie Conclave, Energy Field, Detention Sphere
Windfall on my turn 2 is always fast enough. WW
6-0
2. dte: Irrigation ditch, Sandwurm convergence, Show and tell, Sheltered valley
Combo race - WL
3-3
3. alphastryk: Remote Farm, Darkslick Shores, Lingering Souls, Windfall
me
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Island, Show and Tell, Cruel Reality
Combo race - WL
3-3
5. RoosterCocoa: Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Remote Farm, Show and Tell, Form of the Dragon
Combo race - WL
3-3
6. jfb1337: Forbidding Watchtower, The Wandering Emperor, Prismatic Ending, Saltcrusted Steppe
Windfall on my turn 2 is always fast enough. WW
6-0
7. silkster: Ebon Stronghold, Vault of the Archangel, Agonizing Remorse, Black Market Connections
Race of BMC vs Windfall - WL
3-3
8. Phasmoid: Mercadian Bazaar, Mercadian Bazaar, Red Sun's Zenith, Crackle with Power
Windfall on my turn 2 is always fast enough. WW
9. FTW: Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Darksteel Citadel, Convincing Mirage, The Blackstaff of Waterdeep
Race of Windfall vs Mirage - WL
10. maxx!: Darkmoss Bridge, Dunes of the Dead, Rain of Filth, Dark Deal
Race of Windfall vs Dark Deal. If only I had Peat Bog on the draw! WL
3-3
11. Reeplcheep: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
Race of Windfall vs Angel's Grace - WL
3-3
Total: 39 points and I agree with all the other results posted here.
Deadline has passed, but it looks like a few missed the opening of the round.
I'm missing entries from FTW, alphastryk and Phasmoid. I'll give you guys some extra time while I do work stuff, as usual.
EDIT: Phasmoid's entry is in.
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DECKS FOR ROUND 14 OF SEASON 12: Vintage Creatureless Bannathon
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind rake
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, Earthcraft
7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice Master
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
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ROUND 14 OF SEASON 12: Vintage Creatureless Bannathon
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden
I thought culling the weak was banned since ob nixilus was, but apparently not. I goldfish on t5
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge
The 2/2 chumps, the 4/4 trades, and the 8/8 stabilizes. WW 6-0
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind rake
T2 discard vs t2 combo. WL 3-3
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless
I am punished for playing a 5 drop instead of a black 4 drop. LL 0-6
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
The 2/2 chumps, the 4/4 trades, and the 8/8 stabilizes. WW 6-0
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, Earthcraft
You don’t have any basic lands ?!?! WW 6-0??
Edit: port does draw OTD. WD 4-1
7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
Spell Pierce LL 0-6
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
The 2/2 chumps, the 4/4 trades, and the 8/8 stabilizes. WW 6-0
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice Master
T1 discard vs t2 combo. LL 0-6
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek
Exponential > additive growth. WW 6-0
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
I’m the bigger deck in the pseudo-mirror. WW 6-0
12 W 1D 7L for 37/60
Last edited by Reeplcheep; 07-07-2022 at 09:52 AM.
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge
I start making thopters to block and gain life on my turn 4. You goldfish on your turn 4. WL
3-3
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind rake
OTP I get out Foundry on my turn 2, and discarding Sword only slows me down - I still make 1 token per turn after feeding a land into Foundry to get started. OTD your turn 2 overloaded Mind Rake wins it. WL
3-3
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden
I missed that Calling the Weak was still around, you go bigger than I can. LL
0-6
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless
Raze punishes me for not taking more time to find which indestructible artifacts lands were left. LL
0-6
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
I start making thopters to block and gain life on my turn 4. You goldfish on your turn 4. WL
3-3
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, Earthcraft
Unfortunately for you, Earthcraft needs a basic - otherwise I would have no chance against your infinite tokens. WW
6-0
7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
I can't beat Spell Pierce. LL
0-6
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
I start making thopters to block and gain life on my turn 4. You goldfish on your turn 4. WL
3-3
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice Master
I start making tokens faster than you can, and should always be able to kill Tees if needed. WW
6-0
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek
Me, submitting something from my gauntlet with a quick land swap since Mistvault Bridge was banned. I should have taken more time to pick an indestructible land.
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
You goldfish on your turn 3, which is always too fast for me. LL
0-6
Total: 24 points
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
Shamelessly stole this T2 deck that plays around some hate.
1. Asthereal (TO): My clock is a turn faster. WW 6-0
2. dte: OTP I make my threat fast enough. OTD your 1/1 beats my 0/1. WL 3-3
3. Reeplcheep: You can chump me until you have 16/16s. LL 0-6
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Raze just slows me down 1 turn, still faster than Sarkhan. WW 6-0
5. jfb1337: Same as Asthereal. WW 6-0
6. RoosterCocoa: Even if you had basic Forest instead of Port, you can't combo until turn 4. Port doesn't stop me either. OTD you're just fast enough to chump with 1/1s every turn. WD 4-1
7. silkster: Can't beat Spell Pierce + instant threat. LL 0-6
8. maxx!: Same as Asthereal. WW 6-0
9. Phasmoid: Piracy Charm has 2 modes to stop me. LL 0-6
10. alphastryk: You go off turn 4, 1 turn too slow. WW 6-0
37 points (12 wins, 1 draw, 7 loss)
I see some people adapted to last week's T2 meta by playing Spell Pierce, Piracy Charm and Raze again. Fear of those turn 2 decks is why I kept playing the Spell Pierce/Piracy Charm + instant 1/1 deck, but I never had the right timing.
Strip Mine would have been better than Rishadan Port.
Still, OTD Port stops you from casting Paradox Zone for the draw. Should WD 4-1.
I thought about playing Culling the Weak this week but I thought it might lose to Raze or other LD. I expected Raze to return in bigger numbers after it WW most of last week's decks. So instead I took dte's deck that ignores LD.
I thought about raze, but I couldn’t find any black 4 drop that beat the titans. Doesn’t the port line draw alpha too?
Yes it does stop me when I'm OTD. Updating spreadsheet to WD (4-1)
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Indestructible lands"
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge
Indestructible :( 0-6
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind rake
Dragon smash! 6-0
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden
Dragon smash! 6-0
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless
That's me, smashing with Dragons
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
Indestructible :( 0-6
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, Earthcraft
Dragon smash! 6-0
7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
LD 0-6
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
Indestructible :( 0-6
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice Master
Dragon smash! 6-0
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek
Dragon smash! 6-0
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
Plant smash :( 0-6
Total: 30 points
Last edited by GoblinSmashmaster; 07-08-2022 at 03:33 AM.
I'm surprised no one else thought to use Raze with more than a 1-drop before. This would have scored 48 points last week.
Still did pretty well this week despite 3 AngelPacts.
I got hung up on not losing the Raze mirrors where the slower threat + storage land never wins. There was clearly a good window for that setup in the last 2 rounds though.
Me: 7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge LL
I spent so many weeks running auto-wins against this that I just forgot about it. Ha.
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind Rake LL, I can't believe I forgot about Mind Rake.
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden WW
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless WW
Inconsistency: I play City and pass. If you Raze, I counter it, then Moon your Bazaar. If you don't Raze, I make my Spirit at end of turn and then play Moon on my turn and no longer care if you cast Raze.
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge LL, not again!
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, EarthcraftWWWL
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan LL, not like this...
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice MasterWWDD
I was just realizing that my fears that my threat was too anemic never bit me, and then I realized that it bites me here. I forgot that Piracy Charm has a kill mode.
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek WW
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid WW
12W,... 10W, 2D, 8L9W, 2D, 9L.
I almost played Alpine Moon last week, and it felt like it would be really good since many of the decks at the start of the list were Show and Tell, but on inspection it was only getting about 2 or 3 points more. I forgot about Pact of the Titan while making this deck, though I remembered in the morning when late submissions gave us extra time. Still, I'd played around it for so many weeks and hardly anyone played it, so I thought that it wasn't worth playing around this week. Still a very good score (assuming it stands), and I'm not sure I could have done much better... Edit: after seeing that RoosterCocoa is missing a basic land, my other deck would have done much better this week. Hard call to make, though. Double Edit: And Piracy Charm.
In both matchups you have to be shields down to win. Goblin can raze you when you are forced to moon bazaar, and plasmoid can privacy charm your 1/1 before you untap with it. I think these are all draws.
Rooster can use Port to tap you out of City of Brass every turn (1 damage!), which can threaten to race your 1/1.
To prevent that, you need to proactively cast Alpine Moon.
Rooster OTP
T1 Tapped Battleground
T1 City. Alpine Moon [S=19]
If you don't cast Alpine Moon there, you never get another chance after T2 Port. (and T1 spirit is raced by T2 Port!)
If Alpine Moon names Port, Rooster casts T2 Squirrel Nest and wins. (tapped out of Spell Pierce)
If Alpine Moon names Battleground, Rooster Ports you 19 times faster than the token can attack 20 times.
If you don't play City, Port can't kill you but then Squirrel Nest comes down.
Rooster wins.
With silkster OTP you have tempo to cast Alpine Moon and hold up Spell Pierce for Squirrel Nest.
WL 3-3?
Last edited by FTW; 07-07-2022 at 03:31 PM.
You're right about Piracy Charm, but I don't have to be shields down to beat Raze. I can cast Spiritual Visit before casting Moon.
Rishadan Port on City is a good point though. I actually remembered about Mana Confluence during our extra day and I should have changed it. Damn, that takes me all the way down to 29! Such terrible choices!
1. Asthereal (TO): Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Rustvale Bridge
3-3. Discard all T2 or lose.
3
2. dte: Blooming Marsh, Chatter of the Squirrel, Pendelhaven, Mind rake
Me, playing mass T2 discard, with a deck that I thought was good vs Raze/summons.
3. Reeplcheep: Swamp, Culling the Weak, Paradox Zone, Khalni Garden
3-3, discard vs combo
6
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Raze, Mercadian Bazaar, Sarkhan the Masterless
0-6. I thought about raze, but loses to your better threat than summons.
6
5. jfb1337: Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace, Rustvale Bridge
3-3.
9
6. RoosterCocoa: Havenwood Battleground, Rishadan Port, Squirrel Nest, Earthcraft
3-3. T2 combo squirrel mirror.
12
7. silkster: City of Brass, Spiritual Visit, Spell Pierce, Alpine Moon
6-0, recursion is good here.
18
8. maxx!: Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
3-3. Was not the round to go out with something that loses to pact!
21
9. Phasmoid: Otawara, Soaring City, Piracy Charm, Sand Silos, Tezzeret, Artifice Master
6-0. discard 2, then beat down by a big squirrel.
27
10. alphastryk: Ancient Den, Seat of the Synod, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek
3-3. T2 mirror.
30
11. FTW: Khalni Garden, Colossus Hammer, Plains, Sigarda's Aid
3-3, t2 mirror.
33
A bit of 3-3 across the field. I thought the ability to make a 2/3 T1 would win against some T2 deck, visibly not :/
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