I had been looking at some of the other evoke creatures which have flash, so I forgot that Fury couldn't be played at instant speed and thought I was being very smart by playing a pyrokinesis that couldn't be countered.Originally Posted by Serguei
Yeah, these look right. I'll update my results.
Could mattamort win by attacking with Thought-Knot, then when Reeplcheep tries to animate the second Factory mattamort Dismembers the one that is already a creature while the other's ability is on the stack? Only the one that is a creature can be pumped, so Reeplcheep would only be left with a 2/2 Factory.
Someone remind me to not submit Elspeth when I am thinking that 3-drops are slow for some reason.
ah, yes: That refutes my idea, so I no longer disagree when mattamort is OTP.
However, due to a new drawing idea, I still get D when Reeplcheep is OTP.
OTP Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory , Mishra’s Factory, Rishadan Port , Cathedral of War
OTD mattamort: Thought-knot seer, Dismember, Eye of ugin, Eldrazi temple
For each of mattamort's turns after T1, if mattamort neither casts nor attacks
then Reeplcheep does nothing on Reeplcheep's next turn.
That can't help mattamort win, so assume that on each
of those turns, mattamort [casts or attacks] if able.
During mattamort's turns, Reeplcheep doesn't animate before mattamort attacks,
so Dismember won't have a target other than mattamort's own creature.
mattamort Dismembering mattamort's own creature obviously doesn't
win for mattamort, so assume that on each of mattamort's turns
after T1, mattamort [casts Thought-Knot Seer or attacks] if able.
T1 Cathedral
T1 land
T2 Factory
T2 Thought-Knot Seer
Reeplcheep's T3:
Reeplcheep plays Factory, animates and
pumps the T2 Factory, and attacks with a 4/4.
mattamort can’t Dismember yet since mattamort is tapped out.
If mattamort blocks, then that's a trade, so assume mattamort goes to 16 life.
mattamort's T3:
Thought-Knot Seer attacks, reducing Reeplcheep to 16 life.
Reeplcheep's T4:
Reeplcheep plays Port. Now, Reeplcheep is completely set up.
i.e., all 4 of Reeplcheep's cards are on the battlefield
and untapped and neither Factory is summoning-sick.
mattamort's T4:
Thought-Knot Seer attacks, and mattamort animates a Factory.
If mattamort casts Dismember before Reeplcheep
declares blockers, then in response Reeplcheep
animates and double-pumps the other Factory.
That other Factory would block and trade with Thought-Knot Seer,
so assume mattamort lets Reeplcheep declare blockers
without mattamort having casted Dismember.
Reeplcheep blocks and double-pumps the blocker.
That blocker would trade with Thought-Knot Seer,
so assume mattamort Dismembers the blocker.
Casting Dismember costs 4 life, reducing mattamort to 12 life,
but Reeplcheep blocked, so Reeplcheep stays at 16 life.
Furthermore, Thought-Knot Seer is tapped since it attacked.
Reeplcheep's T5:
Reeplcheep animates Reeplcheep's remaining Factory and attacks with a 3/3.
Since Thought-Knot Seer is tapped, that reduces mattamort to 9 life,
putting Reeplcheep ahead in a race, so mattamort doesn't win.
Were you imagining “Counter target noncreature spell” spells/abilities ?
General counterspells would work just fine against Fury.
Lol, no. I just apparently have no clue how evoke actually works.
The reminder text
( https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle%3AEvoke )
is pretty accurate, and
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Evoke
has detailed rules for it.
It might haveve done better anyway, but it would've
gotten 0 wins, since it doesn't even beat a goldfish:
Ebon Stronghold enters tapped
so
it has no way to get more than 4 mana in a single turn
so
it can't pay
so
it has no threats.
Yeah, I actually looked it up before scoring this round and realized my mistake then. When I made the deck I had been assuming it working similarly to cycling.
I expect I shall score similarly to these scores.
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Similarly, but I expect not identically. As I explained on the previous page,I expect I shall score similarly to these scores.
Serguei only considers alphastryk suspending on both T1 and T2,
but I get that when alphastryk is OTP, alphastryk draws by
suspending on T1 and then keeping the Forest open to cast
Dismember in response to the Thought-Knot Seer trigger.
Alpha: Forest, sus Baloth (5)
Asthe: Land
Alpha: Baloth=4, wait
Asthe: Seer, triggers, resp Dismember Seer (Alpha=16), exile second Baloth, Alpha draws a nothing
Alpha: Baloth=3
Asthe: Seer
Alpha: Baloth=2
Asthe: Attack, Alpha=12
Alpha: Baloth=1
Asthe: Attack, Alpha=8
Alpha: Baloth resolves and we draw.
Looks legit. Changing results.
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Looking at results for alphastryk, silkster and Goblin:
alphastryk vs silkster - 4-1, silk can't deal with two Baloths, but by Pillaging first can force the stare down on the play.
alphastryk vs GoblinSmashmaster - 6-0, Dismember takes the Goblin, and Magus doesn't achieve anything.
silkster vs GoblinSmashmaster - 3-3, first player denies mana to the second.
Reeplcheep vs silkster - Edit: 3-3, Easy OTP for Reep, who just taps down Needle eternally while a factory wins. With silk OTP, second turn Seer is the play. If Reep taps down Needle, then 4 power worth of blockers can't be activated, while if he doesn't, Pillage can take a factory, either way the 4/4 will be enough.
alphastryk vs Reeplcheep - Reep says 4-1, I think 6-0 - OTP, Reep can't survive if both Baloths land, so has to tap down the forest each of alpha's upkeeps after the first. This means he can do 3 damage a turn from turn 4, and it'll be 20-11 by the time the Baloth lands. Reep still can't let up with Port as then the Baloth can sit back and block until it's friend arrives (not to mention Dismember). This stops being true if he can knock alpha down to 2 life or less, but he can't in the time it takes Baloth to win. Both Factories can never be available to block without enabling the second Baloth to suspend.
Factory / Forest Baloth(5)
Port / Tap Forest (4)
Cathedral / (3)
Factory 20-17 / (2)
20-14 / (1)
20-11 / Baloth lands
Pass / 15-11
15-8 / 10-8
10-5 / 5-5 (If instead attack for 4, Baloth sits back and alpha suspends the second Baloth.)
I think I agree with all other results for these three.
So we're still missing results from silk, gobbo and alphastryk, but I don't think they can get to the top-3, so we can lock in the bannings for next round:
Dismember
Eldrazi Temple
Elvish Spirit Guide
Eye of Ugin
Magus of the Moon
Thought-Knot Seer
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Silk, alpha and gobbo, please still check and post results, so I can close round 9 and post scores and standings.
There were no more replies to the question about the Arena only release. I decided to keep non-paper releases out of this season.
Also, for next round and onwards, the new set Adventures in the Forgotten Realms will be legal.
Time to open submissions for the next round.
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Apologies for the delay.
Its been a long time! Glad we're back at the game. Lets see how I did with my entry I submitted before the break!
1. Asthereal (TO): Eldrazi Temple, Eye of Ugin, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer
I should have seen Eldrazi coming
OTP: I can either suspend 1 Baloth and keep up Dismember in response to the TKS on your turn 2, or play 2 Baloths you can't disrupt. Lets try making 2 5/5s first. I get my first 5/5 on my turn 6, and my second on my turn 7. You get your first 4/4 on your turn 2, and your second on your turn 3. That means I take 4, 12, 20 damage before I get a Baloth so that's no good. If I instead suspend one and Dismember the first TKS in response to the trigger, then you get a 4/4 on your turn 3 (with me at 16), and I get a 5/5 on my turn 6. You can attack me down to 8 but then I get a 5/5 to block so we draw. D
OTD: I can either suspend 1 Baloth or keep up Dismember, keeping up Dismember is better because we already know I can't race 2 4/4s. I dismember your first TKS on your turn 2, then you get your second on your turn 3 after I suspend my Baloth, which I get on my turn 7. You attack me starting on your turn 4 for 4 each turn, starting at 16, so you kill me on your turn 7, just before the Baloth arrives. L
1-4
2. mattamort: Thought-knot seer, Dismember, Eye of ugin, Eldrazi temple
Eldrazi 2.0!
I tried a lot of permutations, but ultimately I think this always turns into a draw, because it essentially always boils down to threat + removal vs threat + removal or threat + removal vs threat + threat. DD
2-2
3. alphastryk: Forest, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember
This is me
4. Phasmoid: Eldrazi Temple, Eye of Ugin, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer
I should have seen Eldrazi coming DL
1-4
5. dte: Sungrass prairie, Sandstone needle, rith's charm, Anurid Scavenger
Protection from Black, eh? I can't beat your looping token generation. LL
0-6
6. jhhdk: Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai, Crystal Vein, Crucible of worlds, Smokestack
I love that you made Smokestack work in this format. LL
0-6
7. RoosterCocoa: Mountain, Keldon Halberdier, Keldon Halberdier, Fury
Fury can't kill a Baloth, and I can Dismember a Halberdier, then 5/5s take it home. WW
6-0
8. Wrath of Pie: Calciform Pools, Geier Reach Sanitarium, Chronosavant, Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 threats beats Elspeth, then the Giant is too slow. WW
6-0
9. PJim: Elvish Spirit Guide, Elvish Spirit Guide, Mountain,Magus of the Moon
Moonman doesn't affect my Forest. WW
6-0
10. Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory , Mishra’s Factory, Rishadan Port , Cathedral of War
OTP I'm able to suspend both Baloths before you Port me out of the game, so its just a question of whether your Factories kill me before I get a blocker, and you have to Port me off of Dismember to attack, so you can't attack (for 3) until your turn 4. That's too slow and I get a Baloth to block. W
OTD I'm only able to get a single Baloth, but it still comes down fast enough to race because you have to Port me off of Dismember. W
6-0
11. maxx!: Elvish Spirit Guide, Elvish Spirit Guide, Mountain, Magus of the Moon
Moonman doesn't affect my Forest. WW
6-0
12. silkster: Sandstone Needle, Eldrazi Temple, Pillage, Thought-Knot Seer
On your turn 2 I always lost my land (because its better than making me discard). That means I get to suspend either 1 or 2 Baloths first though, getting the first on my turn 6. When I get 2 Baloths, I can both attack and block, but when I only get 1 we stare. WD
4-1
13. FTW: Remote Farm, Urza's Saga, Crucible of Worlds, Gideon Blackblade
Too many constructs. LL
0-6
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Sheltered Valley, Goblin Rabblemaster, Magus of the Moon
Dismember Rabblemaster, ignore Moonman. WW
6-0
15. Serguei: Eldrazi Temple, Eye of Ugin, Thought-Knot Seer, Thought-Knot Seer
I should have seen Eldrazi coming DL
1-4
Total if I got that right: 45 points, which aligns with what's already in the spreadsheet.
That is very generous, I'd be inclined to say I made it "work", my score ended up being quite modest.
I said that more as someone who loves smokestack than by actually calculating the results
The deadline has passed, and we're missing quite a few: FTW, Tylert, Phasmoid, Reeplcheep, Serguei, Wrath and jhhdk, by the looks of things.
I'll give you guys some more time while I do work stuff, and I'll try to post standings for last round as well at some point.
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Standings for round 9, after me deciding that alpha's math looks correct against matta:
1. PJim: 62 - 4,4
1. maxx!: 62 - 4,4
3. mattamort: 52 - 3,7
4. dte: 49 - 3,5
5. Asthereal (TO): 46 - 3,3
5. Phasmoid: 46 - 3,3
5. Serguei: 46 - 3,3
8. alphastryk: 45 - 3,2
8. FTW: 45 - 3,2
10. RoosterCocoa: 38 - 2,7
10. silkster: 38 - 2,7
12. GoblinSmashmaster: 36 - 2,6
13. jhhdk: 18 - 1,3
14. Reeplcheep: 16 - 1,1
15. Wrath of Pie: 2 - 0,1
Leading to these standings in the season:
1. Serguei: 32,2
2. dte: 31,9
3. mattamort: 30,7
4. silkster: 30,4
5. FTW: 30,1
6. Tylert: 29,6
7. PJim: 29,4
8. maxx!: 28,1
9. GoblinSmashmaster: 27,7
10. alphastryk: 26,6
11. RoosterCocoa: 22,2
12. Reeplcheep: 19,8
13. Wrath of Pie: 19,4
14. Asthereal (TO): 17,6
15. Phasmoid: 17,1
16. jhhdk: 13,3
17. H: 10
18. shiftyhomunculus: 3,1
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