1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, The Hunger Tide
What are you talking about Grist killing grist? It’s not a creature on the battlefield. On the play I always have one more body than you. On the draw you get an extra 1/1 token but I have a 0/3 and after t2 another 1/1. So we just plus forever. I can ult to deal 1 damage to your face but then I lose the token race.W-D 4-1
Edit: My analysis was completely wrong but the result is correct.
2. dte: Swamp, Chancellor of the tangle, Chancellor of the tangle, Grist, the hunger tide WD 4-1
3. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm me
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Sidisi's Faithful, Goblin Settler OTP I kill your lackey. OTD you remove my blocker. I can replay it but then you have 2 attackers. WL 3-3
5. PJim: Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, the Hunger Tide WD 4-1. Same as the above.grist can’t kill grist, all your mirrors should be DD.
6. Wrath of Pie: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Magus of the Tabernacle, Windborn Muse / 6-0 like the other grist decks.
7. alphastryk: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Knight of Sursi / 6-0, my extra body and larger blocker should make this more difficult than the turbo grist decks.
8. RoosterCocoa: Plateau, Student of Warfare, Reckless Waif, Fanatical Firebrand / 6-0 like above I believe
9. silkster: Karakas, Azorius Chancery, Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor / 3-3, OTP I can kill mom and then Mangara. OTD I don’t think I can race. WL
10. maxx!: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Stromkirk Noble / 6-0 like alpha I believe
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful / WD 4-1 unlike with goblin lackey, you only end up with one attacker, who can’t get through my 0/3.
Edit: my 0/3 is in my hand when I have to discard it. WL 3-3
14 W 3D 3L for 45/60. Pretty decent performance for the end of the pack
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But when FTW is on the play he'll bounce Grazer and you'll discard it, along with either Hydra Lair or the mana you need to activate it, so a single 1/1 will be enough. It was a tight call between Turbo Grist and Grazer Grist, with the Lackey deck being the primary swinging point for me.
It looks like we're probably banning only Chancellor and Grist this round...
Exactly, and both maxx!'s deck from last round and Welder still being legal meant pingers would be rather popular.
Honestly, it's crazy this deck hadn't been played and dominated earlier. We lost almost all fast mana, but everybody forgot about Chancellor, it seems, and Grist was already a viable choice in round 6, scoring 3.1 SP.
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Lets see how blindly copying the best unbanned deck from the previous round and tweaking it did (doesn't look great at first glance)
1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, The Hunger Tide
I don't see an obvious way for me to get rid of Grist no matter how I sequence things. LL
0-6
2. dte: Swamp, Chancellor of the tangle, Chancellor of the tangle, Grist, the hunger tide
I don't see an obvious way for me to get rid of Grist no matter how I sequence things. LL
0-6
3. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm
I don't see an obvious way for me to get rid of Grist no matter how I sequence things. LL
0-6
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Sidisi's Faithful, Goblin Settler
Firebrand makes Lackey very awkward, and in a long game Knight + Student take over. WW
6-0
5. PJim: Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, the Hunger Tide
I don't see an obvious way for me to get rid of Grist no matter how I sequence things. LL
0-6
6. Wrath of Pie: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Magus of the Tabernacle, Windborn Muse
You can play Muse or Magus on your turn 5. Muse stops me cold and I can't ever block Muse profitably (if only Flanking worked on defense!). LL
0-6
7. alphastryk: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Knight of Sursi
me
8. RoosterCocoa: Plateau, Student of Warfare, Reckless Waif, Fanatical Firebrand
My Firebrand is overtaxed trying to take on your Waif and Student, but if I hold it for Student my Knight can eventually setup to block Waif before its too late. Feels like a draw. DD
2-2
9. silkster: Karakas, Azorius Chancery, Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor
You're always able to setup Mom-protected Mangara+Karakas by your turn 4, and can use it every other turn from there - I can't beat that. LL
0-6
10. maxx!: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Stromkirk Noble
My Firebrand is overtaxed trying to take on your Waif and Noble, and Noble's quick growth means I can't wait for Knight to trade off like I could with RosterCocoa's Waif. LL
0-6
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful
Firebrand beats Shocker (and you can't wait to play it or your Chancellor mana is gone forever). WW
6-0
Total: 14 points. I seem to be especially bad at this season.
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful
I completely missed that Grist was still legal. I didn't want to hold everyone up longer so I didn't spend much time on this round.
I wanted a 2x Chancellor deck (T1 3cmc), but couldn't find a good enough creature that could also stop combo. Grist was it.
1. Asthereal (TO): Grist LL 0-6
2. dte: Grist LL 0-6
3. Reeplcheep: OTP Shocker + Sidisi discards your slow Grist WL 3-3
4. GoblinSmashmaster: You switched Goblin combos on me! OTP I play Shocker, you bounce it, and I can't replay it so I make a 0/4 wall to draw. OTD whether I play Shocker or Sidisi, you can bounce it and win. DL 1-4
5. PJim: Grist LL 0-6
6. Wrath of Pie: Shocker beats slow deck. WW 6-0
7. alphastryk: Firebrand kills Shocker and you can fly over my wall. LL 0-6
8. RoosterCocoa: Firebrand kills Shocker and you can attack through my wall. LL 0-6
9. silkster: OTP Shocker + bounce Mother discards your creatures. OTD Mother can give itself Protection from Blue to avoid the bounce. Shocker still kills Mangara, but then you have Mother to defend. WD 4-1
10. maxx!: Firebrand kills Shocker and you can attack through my wall. LL 0-6
14 points (4 wins, 2 draws)
My 2nd deck would have beaten Grist and scored 50 points in this meta, but it was weak to a lot of other stuff. Oops.
6. Wrath of Pie: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Magus of the Tabernacle, Windborn Muse
1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, The Hunger Tide LL
2. dte: Swamp, Chancellor of the tangle, Chancellor of the tangle, Grist, the hunger tide LL
3. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm LL
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Sidisi's Faithful, Goblin Settler LL
5. PJim: Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, the Hunger Tide LL
7. alphastryk: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Knight of Sursi WW
8. RoosterCocoa: Plateau, Student of Warfare, Reckless Waif, Fanatical Firebrand WW
9. silkster: Karakas, Azorius Chancery, Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor LL
10. maxx!: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Stromkirk Noble WW
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful LL
6w = 18 points
Well, it beats 1-drops that aren't Lackey. Too bad it loses to everything else. (I was guessing that Dragonlord Silumgar would be too slow, turns out that 4-drops were too slow instead.)
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Grist"
1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, The Hunger Tide
You read the round name :( 0-6
2. dte: Swamp, Chancellor of the tangle, Chancellor of the tangle, Grist, the hunger tide
So did you :( 0-6
3. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm
Goblin smash, then Grist 3-3
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Sidisi's Faithful, Goblin Settler
That's me playing Goblins!
5. PJim: Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, the Hunger Tide
More Grist :( 0-6
6. Wrath of Pie: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Magus of the Tabernacle, Windborn Muse
Goblin smash! 6-0
7. alphastryk: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Knight of Sursi
Goblin ping 0-6
8. RoosterCocoa: Plateau, Student of Warfare, Reckless Waif, Fanatical Firebrand
Goblin ping 0-6
9. silkster: Karakas, Azorius Chancery, Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor
Goblin smash! 4-1
10. maxx!: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Stromkirk Noble
Goblin ping 0-6
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful
Goblin smash! 4-1
Total: 17 points
8. RoosterCocoa: Plateau, Student of Warfare, Reckless Waif, Fanatical Firebrand
1. Asthereal (TO): Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, The Hunger Tide
Turn 1 Grist. LL
2. dte: Swamp, Chancellor of the tangle, Chancellor of the tangle, Grist, the hunger tide
Turn 1 Grist. LL
3. Reeplcheep: Grist, The Hunger Tide, Arboreal Grazer, Lair of the Hydra, Golgari Rot Farm
Arboreal Grazer + Grist. LL
4. GoblinSmashmaster: Volcanic Island, Goblin Lackey, Sidisi's Faithful, Goblin Settler
I can kill Goblin Lackey. WW
5. PJim: Swamp, Chancellor of the Tangle, Chancellor of the Tangle, Grist, the Hunger Tide
Turn 1 Grist. LL
6. Wrath of Pie: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Magus of the Tabernacle, Windborn Muse
I can't beat Windborn Muse. LL
7. alphastryk: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Knight of Sursi
We trade Firebrands for Students, then your Knight holds off my Reckless Waif but can't win if you try to race. DD
9. silkster: Karakas, Azorius Chancery, Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor
I can kill Mother of Runes, but you get Mangara too quickly. LL
10. maxx!: Inspiring Vantage, Fanatical Firebrand, Student of Warfare, Stromkirk Noble
If you use Firebrand to kill my Waif, you can just race me down with Stromkirk. LL
11. FTW: Volcanic Island, Chancellor of the Tangle, Shocker, Sidisi's Faithful
I can kill Shocker. WW
4W 2D 14L = 14
It figures that the one week I don't play Welder is the week when it would perform decently, getting lots of wins on the play.
I do not see how rooster VS maxx! can results in anything else than DD, with everything trading?
Reckless Waif would lose straight up to Student, and Student loses to Noble. Waif needs to transform before Noble is 4/4 to hold it.
So if Rooster shoots either Noble or Student before either maxx has used his Firebrand, or one of his Waif/Student is out of Pinger range, then he'll lose, not immediately obvious whether he'll have a choice:
Rooster OTP:
Waif | Noble
Pass | Waif->3/2
Waif | Firebrand
Pass, kill Waif | Noble
Firebrand, kill Noble
I think draws in this way.
maxx OTP:
Noble | Waif
Noble->2/2, Firebrand | Student
Noble->3/3, Student | Student1, kill Waif
Noble | Firebrand, kill Noble
Student | Student
Student1 | Waif
Firebrand, kill Student | Pass
Student2
Are winning for maxx. So I think it's 4-1 maxx, but there are certainly lots of possibilities.
No results yet from silk and maxx! but it looks like they won't affect bannings. Which are boring this round.
Out are:
Chancellor of the Tangle
Grist, The Hunger Tide
I'll try to figure out my deck in the next few hours and open next round afterwards, so stay tuned.
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