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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Sorry everybody, I was on vacation with just my phone who's web browser would not properly load pages. I should be good for next week though. Seems we are doing OK even so, 17? Was I holding people back or something?
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by jhhdk View Post
    9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim WL
    Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:

    OTP, I can Daze Tinder Wall and trap Bombardment in your hand; OTD, recurring Tinder Wall makes Daze redundant after your first turn, but I can Nature's Claim your Goblin Bombardment to stop the combo. Either way, we are left with two Young Wolves, which stalemate. Two draws.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by shiftyhomunculus View Post
    Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:
    I think this is WD for jhhdk.
    J can win OTP by playing around Daze but missed that you can't win OTD, only stop the combo with Daze. You do have Nature's Claim, but that means leaving mana open and never casting a creature.

    OTP
    J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
    S - Wolf, go

    J - Wolf. Bombardment -> Infinite damage (with mana to pay for Daze on anything)
    To avoid that, you can't cast Wolf and have to leave Nature's Claim up to interact

    J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
    S - Land, go

    J - Wolf, go (can pay for Daze)
    S - If you play Wolf, combo beats you. If you don't, Wolf beats you. You don't have the tempo to deal with both.
    Win

    OTD
    S - Wolf, go
    J - Tinder Wall or Wolf eats Daze, then the other one draws vs Wolf
    Draw

    WD 4-1 for jhhdk


    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
    7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment LL - Turn 1 kill is better than turn 2 kill.
    Turn 1 Kill would be better, but this is only turn 2 kill because Young Wolf needs green mana (unlike Rakdos Cackler). So you trade turn 2 kills here WL 3-3

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by mattamort View Post
    I dont think this line works as well if we decide to attack earlier and let rider as 1/2 forever.
    Yeah, your logic makes sense.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Sorry everybody, I was on vacation with just my phone who's web browser would not properly load pages. I should be good for next week though. Seems we are doing OK even so, 17? Was I holding people back or something?
    Welcome back! Yeah, we're growing like bamboo right now. If we keep going like this, I might need to start a waiting list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Welcome back! Yeah, we're growing like bamboo right now. If we keep going like this, I might need to start a waiting list.
    I imagine you are at-least-mostly joking, but if the number of
    participants does get to be problematically large, at least the
    time needed to work out match results
    issue could be mitigated by not doing a full round-robin.

    (Instead, one could use only the matches corresponding
    to the edges of a moderately-dense expander.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expander_graph
    However, this would not address the issue of the time
    it takes for you to post the decks and standings.)

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    I think this is WD for jhhdk.
    J can win OTP by playing around Daze but missed that you can't win OTD, only stop the combo with Daze. You do have Nature's Claim, but that means leaving mana open and never casting a creature.

    OTP
    J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
    S - Wolf, go

    J - Wolf. Bombardment -> Infinite damage (with mana to pay for Daze on anything)
    To avoid that, you can't cast Wolf and have to leave Nature's Claim up to interact

    J - Tinder Wall, go (plays around Daze)
    S - Land, go

    J - Wolf, go (can pay for Daze)
    S - If you play Wolf, combo beats you. If you don't, Wolf beats you. You don't have the tempo to deal with both.
    Win

    OTD
    S - Wolf, go
    J - Tinder Wall or Wolf eats Daze, then the other one draws vs Wolf
    Draw

    WD 4-1 for jhhdk
    Yep, you're right - missed that I don't actually have a window to kill Bombardment when I'm OTD. Adjusting my result accordingly (-1 point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftyhomunculus View Post
    Could you please explain your take this one? I have us as DD - quoting my earlier post:
    Yeah, my bad, I convinced myself that since combo was sort of instant speed you couldn't really interrupt it. In my head I'd go off in response to natures claim instead of your casting natures claim in response to triggers.
    Will update results.

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    5. dte: Tarnished citadel, Death's shadow, Tinder Wall, Lodestone golem

    That's me, sporting a bad deck: I expected quite a few LLotV, so I didn't play a T1 combo deck, but I also did not play a deck that was good vs LLotV or combo. well...
    Good point is that as I am late on the party, MUs have been figured out already.


    1. Asthereal (TO): Plains, Mishra's Factory, Giant Killer, Swords to Plowshares
    2-2
    2

    2. Wrath of Pie: Taiga, Mishra's Factory, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
    2-2
    4

    3. Reeplcheep: Crystal Vein, Arcbound Ravager, Clockwork Beetle, Leyline of the Void
    0-6
    4

    4. alphastryk: Leyline of the Void, Unmask, Subterranean Hangar, Shriekmaw
    2-2
    6

    6. Phasmoid: Phyrexian Walker, Swamp, Culling the Weak, Mana Skimmer
    6-0
    12

    7. jhhdk: Forest, Tinder Wall, Young Wolf, Goblin Bombardment
    3-3
    15

    8. Tylert: Leyline of the void, Rishadan port, Mutavault, Chronomaton
    0-6
    15

    9. shiftyhomunculus: Tropical Island, Young Wolf, Daze, Nature's Claim
    4-1
    19

    10. RoosterCocoa: Subterranean Hangar, Phyrexian Obliterator, Faerie Macabre, Murderous Rider
    0-6
    19

    11. maxx!: Forest, Tinder Wall, Narnam Renegade, Collective Defiance
    3-3
    22

    12. mattamort: Leyline of the void, Unmask, Peat bog, Bitterblossom
    0-6
    22

    13. Serguei: Peat Bog;BitterBlossom;Unmask;Surgical extraction
    0-6
    22

    14. PJim: Leyline of the Void, Maze of Ith, Icatian Store, Karn Liberated
    0-6
    22

    15. silkster: Tinder Farm, Narnam Renegade, Goblin Bombardment, Leyline of Sanctity
    6-0. the only missing MU I had to figure out and one of the only ones I win, thanks to the farm coming into play tapped, and not giving G if sacced.
    28

    16. GoblinSmashmaster: Taiga, Tinder Wall, Collective Defiance, Crashing Footfalls
    3-3
    31

    17. FTW: Leyline of the Void, Badlands, Bloodhall Ooze, Duress
    6-0
    37

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    I tried to check if there was a way I could draw or beat Shadow OTP, but that extra Tinder Wall ends up making a big difference vs my dead Duress, which really wishes it was Crashing Footfalls or Narnam Renegade.

    T1 1/1 Ooze / Wall [F=20, D=17]
    T2 2/2 Ooze waits / Pay 3 life, otherwise Ooze grows too big [F=20, D=14]
    T3 3/3 Ooze waits / Death's Shadow 2/2 [F=20, D=11]
    T4 4/4 Ooze waits / Pay 3 life, attack with 5/5 Shadow [F=15, D=8]
    T5 5/5 Ooze waits and offers trade / Pay 3 life, attack with 8/8 Shadow [F=7, D=5]
    T6 6/6 Ooze attacks but chumped by Tinder Wall / 8/8 Shadow kills [F=-1, D=5]

    You have to deal yourself 15 damage as fast as possible to get Shadow bigger than Ooze, but once it is then Tinder Wall buys you the chump block needed to win the race.

    By starting to attack at 4/4 I can speed up the race a bit so it's [F=3, D=2] after turn 5, but then my 6/6 Ooze still gets chumped by Tinder Wall and I die to the counterattack.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    I agree with this result and this is not what is reported in the google spreadsheet on WoP line. Unfortunately, I can't edit it. So I let someone fix it. Thanks in advance, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattamort View Post
    I agree with this result and this is not what is reported in the google spreadsheet on WoP line. Unfortunately, I can't edit it. So I let someone fix it. Thanks in advance, guys.
    Got it. Looks like we're complete, so I'll be updating all the things.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Standings for round 5:
    1. Serguei: 69 - 4,3
    1. GoblinSmashmaster: 69 - 4,3
    3. mattamort: 67 - 4,2
    4. Tylert: 61 - 3,8
    5. RoosterCocoa: 58 - 3,6
    5. PJim: 58 - 3,6
    7. FTW: 50 - 3,1
    8. maxx!: 44 - 2,8
    9. alphastryk: 38 - 2,4
    10. Reeplcheep: 37 - 2,3
    11. dte: 37 - 2,3
    12. Phasmoid: 37 - 2,3
    13. Asthereal (TO): 32 - 2
    13. silkster: 32 - 2
    15. shiftyhomunculus: 27 - 1,7
    16. Wrath of Pie: 23 - 1,4
    17. jhhdk: 19 - 1,2

    Which leads to these bannings:
    BitterBlossom
    Collective Defiance
    Crashing Footfalls
    Leyline of the void
    Peat Bog
    Surgical extraction
    Taiga
    Tinder Wall
    Unmask

    And this is how the season looks at the 33% mark:
    1. Serguei: 20,2
    2. Tylert: 20,1
    3. dte: 18
    4. silkster: 17,6
    5. FTW: 16,7
    6. maxx!: 16
    7. mattamort: 15,9
    8. GoblinSmashmaster: 15,8
    9. PJim: 14,3
    10. alphastryk: 13,1
    11. RoosterCocoa: 12,1
    12. Wrath of Pie: 11,8
    13. Reeplcheep: 10,8
    14. jhhdk: 8,4
    15. Asthereal (TO): 7,6
    16. H: 4,8
    17. Phasmoid: 4,2
    18. shiftyhomunculus: 1,7

    So Serguei and Tylert are battling hard for the top spot, with dte and silk in pursuit.
    Our newer players PJim, mattamort and RoosterCocoa are also kicking ass. Well done to you, too!
    Looks like H and myself need to step up our game a bit.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Phasmoid pointed out that controllers of triggers matter, so I have added a slight bit to the wording of our round rule.
    This round, the trigger will have no controller or target.
    (Next round, however, the controller of the artifact will be the controller of the trigger that makes the token.)

    But anyway, let's get the next round going.


    ROUND 6 OF SEASON 10: DEVIANT LEGACY BANNATHON has started.

    This round we play Antagonism: At the beginning of each player’s end step, that player loses 2 life unless one of their opponents lost life that turn.
    (This triggered ability has no controller or target, so effects that care about either will do nothing.)

    I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 6, so you can start sending me your decks.

    DEADLINE: Wednesday the 23rd of June at 11:00AM Central European Time.
    (That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)

    PLEASE NOTE:
    The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
    Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Swamp, Dauthi Slayer, Black Knight.
    So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S10R06 in the topic.
    Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.

    After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
    If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

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