You can still freeze the game through the turn requirement, for example Chronatog plus Teferi’s protection is basically the same thing as nomad el kor but would be a draw.
That's different though. That's like casting infinite Time Walks (letting infinite turns pass without opponent able to kill you). Asthereal said that was legal.
Or just playing a card like Energy Field or Island Sanctuary. The game still continues. Opponent just can't breach your prison. In normal Magic these aren't really infinite loops either, because other factors could allow the game to end (decking, time on the clock, or casting other cards drawn from library). Card Blind is unique because there is no clock, no decking, and no other cards to draw, and that's what makes these things loops.
With Nomads en-Kor the game is not continuing. You're trying to stop the turn from ending by taking infinite actions.
Chronatog+Teferi's Protection would be legal in a Legacy tournament. The game would just usually end due to decking, time running out on the clock, or concession.
Edit: Nevermind, if Chronatog isn't in play and you cast it afterwards then it doesn't phase out and the combo works, although Chronatog is a sitting duck for removal.
Last edited by FTW; 07-06-2021 at 04:20 PM.
If you managed to sequence casting Teferi's Protection and then Chronatog after floating the mana, it works. And honestly, if you get to the point where you have and resolve both in order just to force a draw? I'm impressed with the dedication.
Oh man, did I ever misunderstand the round rules. My starting point was Shadow Guildmage because I thought each nonland card had to have 3 different mana costs, but not necessarily as casting costs, and finding 1-drops with that restriction was tough. I did also wonder why it was so similar to next round's rules, and also that both rounds might have a lot of lands-only decks.
It would be funny if you managed this and your opponent had no removal, and then you lost to Platinum Angel or Gideon of the Trials emblem.
Deadline has passed and I'm at just 12 entries.
Looks like I'm missing entries from Gobbo, FTW, Tylert, jhhdk, and shifty (though that last one may hav edecided this wasn't for them).
I'll give you guys a few more hours while I do some work.
EDIT: While I was typing this, matta sent his deck in.
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Just jhhdk to go now. I'll give you a few more hours, but don't wait too long!
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I think jhhdk is on holiday. Let's get this round going.
DECKS FOR ROUND 8 OF SEASON 10: Deviant Legacy Bannathon
This round we play Cornucopia: Non-land cards in each deck must in total contain at least 3 different colored mana symbols in their mana costs. Hybrid mana symbols count for 1, and so does phyrexian mana. For modal and/or double-faced cards, both side/modes count.
The entries:
1. Asthereal (TO): Tropical Island, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Daze
2. Wrath of Pie: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Myr Superion, Deputy of Detention
3. Phasmoid: Mana Confluence, Shivan Sand-Mage, Durkwood Baloth, Corpulent Corpse
4. RoosterCocoa: Hickory Woodlot, Twilight Mire, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Fulminator Mage
5. dte: Gemstone mine, lightning bolt, serene remembrance, Encroach
6. Reeplcheep: Tundra, Daze, cenn’s tactician, Dismember
7. PJim: Tundra, Chancellor of the Tangle, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Stormscape Apprentice
8. alphastryk: Gemstone Mine, Old-Growth Dryads, Encroach, Swords to Plowshares
9. H: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Valentin, Dean of the Vein, Furor of the Bitten
10. silkster: Undiscovered Paradise, Swords to Plowshares, Swarm Shambler, Evil Presence
11. Serguei: Remote Farm, Interplanar beacon, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper
12. maxx!: Scrubland, Cenn’s Tactician, Encroach, Dismember
13. mattamort: Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Tropical Island, Daze
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Licia, Sanguine Tribune
15. Tylert: Karakas, Student of warfare, Dismember, Noxious revival
16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
You can also enter your scores in the Google Spreadsheet for the season which you can find here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble
Interesting meta. I almost played the Dismember + Daze deck but thought it would be too easy for people to play around Daze and went for Duress instead. I thought about Vial a lot too, but it seemed too slow against T2 combos.
1. Asthereal (TO): OTP I play Stromkirk. You Dismember it, so I Duress Daze and then StP Baloth to draw. (If you suspend Baloth first, I try to Duress Dismember and you're forced to Daze that otherwise Stromkirk outgrows Baloth, then you Dismember me and I StP you anyway). OTD you suspend Baloth. I Duress, which trades with Daze. Then we kill each others' creatures. DD 2-2
2. Wrath of Pie: OTP Duress takes Vial and I win. OTD you play Vial first, Duress is a blank and I play 1/1 Stromkirk. I have to StP either Superior or Deputy and lose to the other. WL 3-3
3. Phasmoid: Edit: You make all 3 creatures on Turn 6. I Dismember the Baloth, but then my 5/5-6/6 Stromkirk draws vs your 3/3+3/2. DD 2-2
4. RoosterCocoa: Edit: Grist somehow dodges both Duress (creature in hand) and Dismember (noncreature in play), so Grist beats me. LL 0-6
5. dte: Encroach was probably better than Duress. OTP I Duress Serene Remembrance and Bolt kills Stromkirk to draw. OTD you Encroach me and I lose. DL 1-4
6. Reeplcheep: Same as the Baloth matchup. We remove each others stuff. DD 2-2
7. PJim: Nice deck! I can't kill Thalia. Both your creatures are Human so you can't block me, but you can tap it down forever and win with Thalia. LL 0-6
8. alphastryk: OTP I Duress StP, you make Dryads, I StP your guy and mine wins. OTD I lose to Encroach. WL 3-3
9. H: Cool deck. OTP I play Stromkirk. You play Vampire. I StP it, become 2/2, and then race Inkmoth.
OTD you make Vampire first. I play Stromkirk. If you cast Furor, then I StP you, become 2/2 and race Inkmoth. If you just hold open mana though, then you can trade with Stromkirk (with either Inkmoth or 1/1 Vampire) and we draw after I StP the other. WD 4-1
10. silkster: Luckily my land's delayed return trigger ignores Sea's Claim effects. OTP and OTD I Duress StP, StP your guy, and Stromkirk stares at a 1/1 Insect. DD 2-2
11. Serguei: Edit: Grist embarrasses my deck being a card that dodges both Duress and Dismember (creature at all the wrong times for me). LL 0-6
12. maxx!: OTP Duress takes Dismember, StP kills Tactician, and Stromkirk wins. OTD Encroach beats me. WL 3-3
13. mattamort: Same as Asthereal. DD 2-2
14. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP I Duress Sorin. OTD I StP your turn 1 fatty. WW 6-0
15. Tylert: I Duress Dismember and StP Student. You can't save Student, so you Noxious Revival to get back Dismember and draw. DD 2-2
32 points (6 wins, 14 draws, 10 loss)
Too many draws. Always the problem with 2 answer + 1 threat decks. I forgot about Swarm Shambler. My deck would have been much better with that over Stromkirk.
Last edited by FTW; 07-12-2021 at 11:17 AM.
My deck: Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Tropical Island, Daze
I did not like it much but was unable to be convince by anything. I thought push would be mored played. I had for a long time Swarm in the Baloth slot and switch at last minute for this reason + looks to be better with daze I expected. But it was not in practice and I should have kept it. Leaving a body behind was huge against a lot of decks. I had encroach deck, but I always forget 3-3 is better than 2-2 thats why I didnt submit.
1. Asthereal (TO): Tropical Island, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Daze
-> DD, no way to break symetry
2 Pts
2. Wrath of Pie: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Myr Superion, Deputy of Detention
-> WL, OTP Vial get countered, OTD Superion escape
5 Pts
3. Phasmoid: Mana Confluence, Shivan Sand-Mage, Durkwood Baloth, Corpulent Corpse
-> LL
Daze is bad here
5Pts
4. RoosterCocoa: Hickory Woodlot, Twilight Mire, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Fulminator Mage
-> LL
Daze is bad here
5Pts
5. dte: Gemstone mine, lightning bolt, serene remembrance, Encroach
-> WL OTD, I can not deal with encroach, OTP you can not deal with baloth
8 Pts
6. Reeplcheep: Tundra, Daze, cenn’s tactician, Dismember
-> DD
10 Pts
7. PJim: Tundra, Chancellor of the Tangle, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Stormscape Apprentice
-> WL
13 Pts
8. alphastryk: Gemstone Mine, Old-Growth Dryads, Encroach, Swords to Plowshares
-> WL
16 Pts
9. H: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Valentin, Dean of the Vein, Furor of the Bitten
-> WW
22 Pts
10. silkster: Undiscovered Paradise, Swords to Plowshares, Swarm Shambler, Evil Presence
-> WW
I kill Shambler the turn it is played and counter STP on baloth 5/5 > 1/1
28 Pts
11. Serguei: Remote Farm, Interplanar beacon, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper
Grist is countered, Kaya is too slow vs Baloth
-> WW
34 Pts
12. maxx!: Scrubland, Cenn’s Tactician, Encroach, Dismember
-> WL
37 Pts
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Licia, Sanguine Tribune
-> WL
Side Note : I loved this deck, but found it too vulnerable to STP but it pays off with this meta :D
40 Pts
15. Tylert: Karakas, Student of warfare, Dismember, Noxious revival
-> DD
42 Pts
16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble
-> DD
44 Pts
12W 8D 10L
Not great but could be worse as well
I couldn't find any better plan than Encroach, even though its not so great on the draw. The fact that everyone essentially must play nonbasic to accommodate the round rule, and likely need all their lands to cast their spells made it really appealing. Did not put nearly as much thought into my other card choices though, did not spend a ton of time there, just picked a 3/3 and a removal spell. In retrospect, something like Isolate would have been a better removal spell for basically anything that gets under / around Encroach.
1. Asthereal (TO): Tropical Island, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Daze
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD I can't beat Daze & Dismember. WL
3-3
2. Wrath of Pie: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Myr Superion, Deputy of Detention
Encroach is a blank, and I can't race. Isolate would have been great here. LL
0-6
3. Phasmoid: Mana Confluence, Shivan Sand-Mage, Durkwood Baloth, Corpulent Corpse
OTP Encroach wins it, and OTD I can still Encroach and then StP whichever threat you suspended when it arrives. WW
6-0
4. RoosterCocoa: Hickory Woodlot, Twilight Mire, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Fulminator Mage
Encroach always prevents you from getting to 3 mana. WW
6-0
5. dte: Gemstone mine, lightning bolt, serene remembrance, Encroach
Encroach is the only card that matters, so whoever is OTP wins. WL
3-3
6. Reeplcheep: Tundra, Daze, cenn’s tactician, Dismember
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD I can't beat Daze & Dismember. WL
3-3
7. PJim: Tundra, Chancellor of the Tangle, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Stormscape Apprentice
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD I can't beat Thalia + Apprentice. WL
3-3
8. alphastryk: Gemstone Mine, Old-Growth Dryads, Encroach, Swords to Plowshares
This is me
9. H: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Valentin, Dean of the Vein, Furor of the Bitten
OTP Encroach on Badlands wins it. OTD, I should always be able to Encroach Inkmoth and StP Valentin. WW
6-0
10. silkster: Undiscovered Paradise, Swords to Plowshares, Swarm Shambler, Evil Presence
Swarm Shambler is a much better threat than my Dryads, forgot that existed. OTP Encroach does the trick, OTD Evil Presence does me in. WL
3-3
11. Serguei: Remote Farm, Interplanar beacon, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper
Encroach always keeps you off of 3 mana. WW
6-0
12. maxx!: Scrubland, Cenn’s Tactician, Encroach, Dismember
Whoever is OTP wins with Encroach. WL
3-3
13. mattamort: Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Tropical Island, Daze
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD I can't beat Daze & Dismember. WL
3-3
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Licia, Sanguine Tribune
StP should always beat your giant Vampire. WW
6-0
15. Tylert: Karakas, Student of warfare, Dismember, Noxious revival
Noxious Revival is pretty good tech in the Encroach meta. StP always beats Student, but Dismember always beats Dryads, so we stare. DD
2-2
16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD you can Duress StP, and your StP beats my Dryads. WL
3-3
Total: 56 points.
Turns out, with all the suspend threats that Swords to Plowshares was much better than Isolate after all.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Again I choose the wrong deck and moreover the wrong version of my deck :)
11. Serguei: Remote Farm, Interplanar beacon, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper
I should definitively have gone with teferi, time raveler instead of kaya
I have also a pretty fasty deck but I do not know why I did not choose him
Badlands +Vengevine +putrid imp + red rootwala
1. Asthereal (TO): Tropical Island, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Daze
LL lose to daze
2. Wrath of Pie: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Myr Superion, Deputy of Detention
Kaya removes vial before you can put in play anything
WW 6 pts ->6 pts
3. Phasmoid: Mana Confluence, Shivan Sand-Mage, Durkwood Baloth, Corpulent Corpse
Kaya does noting here so everything is on Grists shoulders
OTP t2 grist 1Tand I will up like this several turns
T5 it will be Grist with 7 loy and 4 tokens
If you have chosen for t1 shivan and t2 baloth
2 tokens will eat your shivan and another one will block balot
On my t6 I will down grist to5 loyalty counter and kill your baloth. Then grist will win pretty easily over Corpse
If you have chosen the slow play to have all 3 creatures in t6. Grist will be at 8 of loyalty and I will have 5 tokens.
3 will block and kill corpse. 2 will block Shivan and kill it. Baloth will down grist to 3 loyalty counters. After I will up grist and block until grist goes high enough to take damage and kills your baloth.
And OTD I will be too slow sadly.
WL 3 pts -> 9 pts
4. RoosterCocoa: Hickory Woodlot, Twilight Mire, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Fulminator Mage
The first who plays grist wins
WL 3 pts -> 12pts
5. dte: Gemstone mine, lightning bolt, serene remembrance, Encroach
LL
6. Reeplcheep: Tundra, Daze, cenn’s tactician, Dismember
Daze will manage 1 PW the oteh will kill you
WW 6 pts - > 18 pts
7. PJim: Tundra, Chancellor of the Tangle, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Stormscape Apprentice
LL
8. alphastryk: Gemstone Mine, Old-Growth Dryads, Encroach, Swords to Plowshares
LL
9. H: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Valentin, Dean of the Vein, Furor of the Bitten
WW 6 pts -> 24 pts
10. silkster: Undiscovered Paradise, Swords to Plowshares, Swarm Shambler, Evil Presence
LL
12. maxx!: Scrubland, Cenn’s Tactician, Encroach, Dismember
LL
13. mattamort: Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Tropical Island, Daze
LL
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Licia, Sanguine Tribune
Grist tokens will be able to block forever Licia
DD 2pts -> 26 pts
15. Tylert: Karakas, Student of warfare, Dismember, Noxious revival
WW 6 pts -> 32 pts
16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble
WW 6 pts -> 38 pts
2. Wrath of Pie: Chancellor of the Tangle, Aether Vial, Myr Superion, Deputy of Detention
1. Asthereal (TO): Tropical Island, Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Daze WL
3. Phasmoid: Mana Confluence, Shivan Sand-Mage, Durkwood Baloth, Corpulent Corpse WW
4. RoosterCocoa: Hickory Woodlot, Twilight Mire, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Fulminator Mage WW - I was expecting a lot of land hate, so Vial looked good in the face of that.
5. dte: Gemstone mine, lightning bolt, serene remembrance, Encroach WW
6. Reeplcheep: Tundra, Daze, cenn’s tactician, Dismember WL
7. PJim: Tundra, Chancellor of the Tangle, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Stormscape Apprentice WL
8. alphastryk: Gemstone Mine, Old-Growth Dryads, Encroach, Swords to Plowshares WW
9. H: Badlands, Inkmoth Nexus, Valentin, Dean of the Vein, Furor of the Bitten WW
10. silkster: Undiscovered Paradise, Swords to Plowshares, Swarm Shambler, Evil Presence WW
11. Serguei: Remote Farm, Interplanar beacon, Grist, the Hunger Tide, Kaya, Orzhov Usurper LL - Kaya is solid tech.
12. maxx!: Scrubland, Cenn’s Tactician, Encroach, Dismember WW
13. mattamort: Durkwood Baloth, Dismember, Tropical Island, Daze WL
14. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord, Licia, Sanguine Tribune WL
15. Tylert: Karakas, Student of warfare, Dismember, Noxious revival WW - I can't believe you missed an opportunity to play Aether Vial.
16. FTW: Undiscovered Paradise, Duress, Swords to Plowshares, Stromkirk Noble WL
22w = 66 points
I saw the one-drop plan, but I couldn't miss a chance to play Vial when it had a chance to be good. (Banned pitch discard spells helped make the decision easier.)
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