@Silk: not to point out inconsistencies, but now you have one MU where you counter artefacts (WoP, and I guess that should be 0-6), one where you edited can into cannot, and one when you didn't (or you should WL against me).
And beautiful Mud deck, especially with masticore SB.
@Asthereal, +1 for the permanent banned list.
Deadline has passed, and I'm missing a few, among whom FTW. Also I have an illegal entry who I've sent a PM.
I'll give you guys a bit more time.
Also, don't forget to vote about this.
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Curse of Silence, should probably be permanently banned. It's 90% Cabal Therapy, only worse against decks that can make a lot of mana to get around it.
I think it should probably be banned, I think there's no doubt it outclasses the other legal 1 mana discard options.
If we're talking perma-bans, I'd suggest Grief as a strong candidate. Unmask is a good card anyway, and the fact one can use Undying Evil or Ephemerate to get additional discard and a body out of it seems well over the top.
I vote to ban Curse of Silence too.
Also submitted my deck.
I like the concept behind Curse of Silence in encouraging slower storage-land options, but the cyclical metagame that would result wouldn't be that great.
I also second PJim for grief.
I'm less concerned about Grief because it becomes an entire deck archetype.
To be any better than Unmask it takes all 4 cards:
BW land, Grief, black card, Ephemerate/Undying Evil
Is that any more broken than other T1 combos that aren't perma-banned?
City of Traitors, Lotus Petal, Induced Amnesia is only 3 cards
Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Barbed Shocker is 4 cards
Both shut down even more than the Grief deck can
If all-in T1 combos aren't permabanned, Grief seems fine. In "fair" mode it's just Unmask.
I thought Induced Amnesia was on the basic banned list.
Grief is actually fine because of the all-in nature required to make it actually better than Unmask, as FTW mentioned.
Reanimate is likely always the best option.
Grief is definitely better, exactly because it is not all-in. Amnesia (should still be on the permanent list)/shoker lose to counters, and WL vs discard/moon/sphere, like all-in decks should, while grief beats moon, almost any FoW.deck or other counters, and likely WD vs discard or sphere.
I also vote to ban Curse of Silence.
Looks pretty unanimous. Curse is out. I'll add it to the list.
Also, I think I now have all the decks I can expect, so let's post some decks!
DECKS FOR ROUND 13 OF SEASON 10: Deviant Legacy Bannathon
This round we play The Long Haul: Players start at 100 life. Effects that would make you win the game immediately instead do nothing.
The entries:
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
You can also enter your scores in the Google Spreadsheet for the season which you can find here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate
OTP Encroach takes Savannah for the win, OTD I can't beat 2 large threats. WL
3-3
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD Smallpox loop is too strong. WL
3-3
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
Blood Moon & Encroach don't do a lot here, and Cat + Oven can block scan forever to blank the Halberier. WW
6-0
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven
This is me, hoping to see a lot of greedy mana slow decks.
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent
Serra Ascendent is such an insane threat in this format, can't believe I forgot about it. OTP Encroach does the job, OTD I get crushed by Ascendent. WL
3-3
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich
OTP Encroach wins it, OTD I can't beat turbo Alluren. WL
3-3
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk
EDIT - if I block I can't sacrifice without taking 10 trample poison, and if I don't sacrifice my loop ends. LL
0-6
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend
OTP Encroach takes Scrubland for the win, OTD (EDIT) Familiar counters Encroach and Inkmoth races me. WL
3-3
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast
Encroach always takes one of your lands and prevents you from producing a threat. WW
6-0
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty
Encroach does nothing, and Archon destroys me. LL
0-6
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend
OTP Encroach takes Inkmoth which takes away both your threats, OTD I can't beat Fiend. WL
3-3
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory
OTP Encroach takes Factory to prevent both your threats, OTD you can play Factory out before I can Encroach it, but even if you get both threats in play I can always chump block Walker and sacrifice my Cat, and the 2 life drain there offsets the 2 life lost from Factory attacking. You're first able to get through with Factory on your turn 3, and I'm able to start looping cat on my turn 2 so I think you just barely win that race. WL
3-3
Total: 33 points
Last edited by alphastryk; 09-24-2021 at 08:00 AM.
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent
Went with a boring 2 6/6s and a way to not fold to combo
The entries:
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate
You lose the race even without me using cry. WW 6-0
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Discard based combo wrecks me LL 0-6
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
My threat is better than yours. WW 6-0
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven
Get encroached. WL 3-3
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich
4 card combo gets cried. WW 6-0
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk
You can’t win but beserk will let you hold a draw. DD 2-2
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend
Serra beats your entire board but I need 2 to make progress. WD 4-1
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast
I believe I can win the race here. Not sure though. ??
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty
Discard proof combo :( LL 0-6
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend
Push always trades with on aspirant and then I can’t win the race. DD 2-2
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory
Without a way to sack the walker you lose the race. WL 3-3
Lost a bunch of points to using cry instead of expropriate or funeral charm
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate
6-0. Memnite smash!
6
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Me, trying again a pox iteration. But this time it works! And also taking the title seriously, the long haul: no possible win before 101 turns.
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
6-0. Memnite smash!
12
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven
3-3, Encroach or memnite.
15
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent
6-0. Memnite smash!
21
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich
6-0. Memnite smash!
27
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk
6-0. Memnite smash!
33
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend
0-6. Cannot beat that. OTD familiar kills me, OTP, discarding familiar if I play SP wins for you.
33
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast
6-0. Memnite smash!
39
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty
6-0. Memnite smash!
45
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend
2-2, we stare.
47
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory
3-3, Encroach vs memnite duel.
50
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate LL
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre LL
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven LL
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent LL
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich WL
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk LL
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend WL
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast WD
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty LL
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend LL
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory LL
3w1d = 10 points
All those basic lands!
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocate
OTP Encroach takes your land. OTD you get a Baloth on turn 6 and the second on turn 7. Hangarback Walker is a 6/6 by your turn 8, which is too fast for you to kill me. I then just keep it on defense and make it larger until it can kill you in one attack. WW
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
OTP Encroach takes your land. OTD I don't play anything until you Smallpox, and I then discard Encroach. Your deck from top to bottom is Ulamog, Smallpox, Phyrexian Tower, and Memnite. On my turn I play Swamp. You then draw Ulamog. On my next turn I play Mishra's Factory and a 1/1 Hangarback. You then draw Smallpox. On my next turn I make Hangarback a 2/2. You then draw Phyrexian Tower. On my next turn I make Hangarback a 3/3. You draw Memnite and play Smallpox, and I sacrifice Hangarback and Swamp, giving me 3 1/1 tokens. I won't be able to get enough damage through before you eventually kill all of my tokens, even if I animate Mishra's Factory to sacrifice it as the creature for Smallpox, so I lose. WL
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon Halberdier
Blood Moon and Encroach don't do much, and I can get Hangarback Walker to a 5/5 before you can kill me so I can just wait until it is large enough to one shot you. WW
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven
OTP I dodge your Encroach and eventually win by attacking with 2 creatures. OTD I lose to your Encroach. WL
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra Ascendent
OTP Encroach takes your land, OTD I am too slow. WL
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich
OTP Encroach takes your land, OTD I can't disrupt your combo. WL
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk
OTP I have a 1/1 Hangarback in play when you first attack with Glistener Elf, so I block with it (you don't wait to attack because the Hangarback just gets bigger). You just use Invigorate, Hangarback dies, leaving me a 1/1 thopter and Glistener Elf survives. From then on I need to leave one creature back on defense and if I attack with one of them, you Berserk to kill it, so we end up staring at each other. OTD I can't block your turn 2 attack so I lose. DL
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric Fiend
OTP I Encroach your Scrubland and you can't play anything. OTD you counter my Encroach with Judge's Familiar and kill me with infect. WL
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast
Encroach means you never get 2 mana. WW
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty
I can't beat Archon of Cruelty or stop you from getting it into play. LL
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric Fiend
OTP I Encroach your Inkmoth Nexus and slowly win with a 1/1. OTD you take Hangarback Walker with Mesmeric Fiend and kill me with infect. WL
12W 1D 9L = 37
Got lucky by betting on Encroach this time.
Last edited by RoosterCocoa; 09-22-2021 at 05:56 PM.
DraftResults:
1. Asthereal (TO): Savannah, Durkwood Baloth, Durkwood Baloth, Reciprocatelooks likeWW
2. dte: smallpox, memnite, phyrexian tower, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre LL
3. Wrath of Pie: Mountain, Dwarven Ruins, Blood Moon, Keldon HalberdierLLDL (thanks dte)
4. alphastryk: Swamp, Encroach, Cauldron Familiar, Witch's Oven LL
5. Reeplcheep: Scrubland, Cry of Contrition, Serra Ascendant, Serra AscendentlaterWW (thanks for doing analysis FTW)
6. PJim: Stomping Ground, Orcish Lumberjack, Aluren, Acererak the Archlich LL
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Berserk WL
8. silkster: Scrubland, Inkmoth Nexus, Judge's Familiar, Mesmeric FiendLLDL (thanks dte)
9. jhhdk: Pendelhaven, Inkmoth Nexus, Blight Mamba, Melira, Sylvok outcast ME
10. maxx!: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Archon of Cruelty LL
11. FTW: Swamp, Inkmoth Nexus, Fatal Push, Mesmeric FiendprobablyLL
12. RoosterCocoa: Swamp, Encroach, Hangarback Walker, Mishra's Factory LL
Last edited by jhhdk; 09-29-2021 at 06:57 AM.
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