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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    I saw it. Looks good, thanks!
    (No idea how it works yet though. )

    Anyway, about 24 hours until the deadline and we're at 4 entries right now. Don't miss out!
    If you type in ROUND, it will give you the syntax for the function. It takes two values, the first being a value (in our case, a reference to the cell on Round 1 with the corresponding average), and the second value tells it to round to however many decimal places are desired (in our case, 1).

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Deadline has passed, and I'm missing one deck. I'll give you a bit more time.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    And we're complete, so let's go!

    DECKS FOR ROUND 2 OF SEASON 7: Pauper

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld

    Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
    I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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    Asthereal's results for round 2:

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    That's me, stealing tech.
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    OTP I Daze your stuff. OTD I don't and lose to the goblins that smash. 3-3
    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    Dazes don't help. So we'll need to calc the race. See below. 2-2
    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    Claim and Daze both don't stop my guys. I have one more guy than you. 6-0
    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    Claim doesn't stop my guys. Unsummon only slows me down. I have one more guy than you. 6-0
    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    I Daze the Presence and we trade guys because yours have potential deathtouch. 2-2
    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    I don't think either of us can attack very well. Two draws for now, but might find different lines here. 2-2
    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    OTP You can Duress first, and cast Ritual into Skirge the turn after. Skirge loses the race though. OTD you are just faster. 3-3
    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    Claim and Daze both don't stop my guys. I have one more guy than you. 6-0
    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    You have 3 potential guys. I have 2, and can stop one of yours. We tarde guys for two draws? 2-2

    Total: 32 points


    Against FTW:
    A: Island, suspend VD1 (4)
    F: Island
    A: VD1 (3), Suspend VD2 (4)
    F: Desert, suspend EE (4)
    A: 2/3
    F: 3
    A: 1/2
    F: 2
    A: VD2 (1), VD1 resolves, attack for 3, F=17
    (You can Daze, making me pay U and cauising me to attack for one damage less.)
    F: 1
    A: VD2 resolves, attack for 5, F=12
    F: You keep EE back or lose the race. This leads to a draw.

    F: Island
    A: Island, suspend VD1 (4)
    F: Desert, suspend EE (4)
    A: VD1 (3), Suspend VD2 (4)
    F: 3
    A: 2/3
    F: 2
    A: 1/2
    F: 1
    A: VD2 (1), VD1 resolves, attack for 3, F=17
    (You can Daze, making me pay U and cauising me to attack for one damage less.)
    F: EE resolves. If you attack, I win the race again (5 vs 4 dmg per turn), so you still keep EE back for defense.
    Two draws?


    Against H:
    A: Island, suspend VD1 (4)
    H: Land, Duress away the Daze
    A: VD1 (3), Suspend VD2 (4)
    H: Rit into Skirge
    A: 2/3
    H: Attack, A=17
    A: 1/2
    H: 14
    A: VD2 (1), VD1 resolves, attack for 3, H=17
    H: 11
    A: VD2 resolves, attack for 5, H=12
    H: 8
    A: H=7
    H: 5
    A: H=2
    H: Keeping Skirge back doesn't help, so attack, A=2
    A: H dies
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron

    1. Asthereal (TO): I can't race double Deepwalker so I hold back Ephemeron to draw. DD 2-2
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP I Daze your 1st Rite. OTD you get 6 Goblins. Desert kills a few but I still lose. WL 3-3
    4. maxx!: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races Deepwalker. We can both pay for Daze, though it reduces you by 1 damage. WW 6-0
    5. alphastryk: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races Deepwalker, and I can Daze your Unsummon. WW 6-0
    6. Moosedog: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races double Heartstopper. I lead with Desert first to dodge Presence. WW 6-0
    7. Wrath of Pie: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races Corpse. You can Duress Daze and Disfigure to slow me down a turn. WW 6-0
    8. H: OTP and OTD you can Duress Daze to protect Ritual into Skirge. You could race me, so I hold Ephemeron on defense. DD 2-2
    9. silkster: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races Deepwalker. We can both pay for Daze, though it reduces you by 1 damage. WW 6-0
    10. Tylert: OTP and OTD Ephemeron races double Heartstopper. WW 6-0

    43 points (13 wins, 4 draws, 1 loss)

    Looks like I didn't even need my Desert tech for the 2 matchups I feared most.
    Last edited by FTW; 07-08-2020 at 09:06 AM.

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    GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Daze for Days"

    I play teh goblins

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    Goblins smash! Then Daze 3-3

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    That's me!

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    Goblins smash! Then Daze 3-3

    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    Goblins smash! Then Daze 3-3

    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    Goblins smash! 6-0

    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    Goblins master block 2-2

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    Goblins smash! Then Duress 3-3

    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    Pesky Skirge 1-4

    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    Goblins smash! Then Daze 3-3

    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    Goblins master block 2-2

    Total: 26 points
    Last edited by GoblinSmashmaster; 07-08-2020 at 02:15 PM.

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    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze DD - Daze is banned in Pauper, but we don't fear it because we don't have Dimir Delver.
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens WL - I appreciate you finally living up to your username and smashing with Goblins.
    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron LL
    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim DD
    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon LL
    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence DD
    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge WL
    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze DD
    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld DD

    2w10d = 16 points
    Last edited by Wrath of Pie; 07-08-2020 at 03:51 PM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Can't you draw these by going Swamp -> suspend Corpse? Forget about Duress. You'll end up with an Island, but you can pay for Daze when Corpse resolves. You can't race Deepwalker due to longer suspend, but you can block and trade.


    Also, I just realized I beat you OTD too. I forgot Corpse was Suspend 5 instead of Suspend 4 and used the math for Deepwalker racing.

    Wrath vs FTW
    W - Suspend Corpse
    F - Island

    W - Duress my Daze. 4 counters
    F - Desert. Suspend Ephemeron

    W - 3 counters
    F - 3 counters

    W - 2 counters
    F - 2 counters

    W - 1 counter
    F - 1 counter

    W - Attack with 3/3 fear haste [F=17]
    F - Attack with 4/4 flying haste [W=16]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=14]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=12]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=11]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=8]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=8]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=4]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=5]
    F - Attack. You Disfigure me to 2/2 [W=2]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=2]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=-2]

    With suspend 4 you would have had me by 1 turn.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie View Post
    Daze is banned in Pauper, but we don't fear it because we don't have Dimir Delver.
    Yeah, there's a pile of stuff banned in constructed Pauper, but we're 4CB and a Bannathon, so I intentionally didn't ban anything from the start. Stuff that's too strong will be out soon anyway.
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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    alphastryk's results for round 2:

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    2 threats! I can't beat that. LL 0-6

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    I don't think I can win here, but lets see. If I'm on the play and suspend my threat turn 1, I get a blocker on my turn 5. I also get to Unsummon 1 of 6 goblins. 5 remaining goblins will still kill me. LL 0-6

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    Your threat is bigger and you can Daze my Unsummon. LL 0-6

    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    Even with my Unsummon, I can't do much before you get your threat back, then we stare at each other. DD 2-2

    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    This is me

    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    If either of us ever plays out our land, we lose it. If instead we both play threats we end up in a staring contest anyways. DD 2-2

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    It turns out I'm able to race with Unsummon, as FTW calculated below. WW 6-0

    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    Duress take Unsummon, and your threat is better than mine. LL 0-6

    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    Even with my Unsummon, I can't do much before you get your threat back, then we stare at each other. DD 2-2

    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    Sea's Claim your Swamp and then Unsummon your guy before I get mine. WW 6-0

    Total: 18 points
    Last edited by alphastryk; 07-08-2020 at 03:25 PM.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinSmashmaster View Post
    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    Goblins smash! Then Duress 3-3
    I didn't do the full math, but don't we draw with you on the Play?

    You make 6 Goblins. I make a 3/2.

    So if you attack, I'd take 5, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1. That is only 15. I can't race the last Goblin, so I'd stay back. I can't win, but I don't think you can either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    Can't you draw these by going Swamp -> suspend Corpse? Forget about Duress. You'll end up with an Island, but you can pay for Daze when Corpse resolves. You can't race Deepwalker due to longer suspend, but you can block and trade.


    Also, I just realized I beat you OTD too. I forgot Corpse was Suspend 5 instead of Suspend 4 and used the math for Deepwalker racing.

    Wrath vs FTW
    W - Suspend Corpse
    F - Island

    W - Duress my Daze. 4 counters
    F - Desert. Suspend Ephemeron

    W - 3 counters
    F - 3 counters

    W - 2 counters
    F - 2 counters

    W - 1 counter
    F - 1 counter

    W - Attack with 3/3 fear haste [F=17]
    F - Attack with 4/4 flying haste [W=16]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=14]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=12]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=11]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=8]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=8]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=4]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=5]
    F - Attack. You Disfigure me to 2/2 [W=2]

    W - Attack for 3 [F=2]
    F - Attack for 4 [W=-2]

    With suspend 4 you would have had me by 1 turn.
    Corrected both of those, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
    Yeah, there's a pile of stuff banned in constructed Pauper, but we're 4CB and a Bannathon, so I intentionally didn't ban anything from the start. Stuff that's too strong will be out soon anyway.
    Dimir Delver was an absurd deck though, it had Daze, Gush, and cantrips, and most importantly Foil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    2. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP I Daze your 1st Rite. OTD you get 6 Goblins. Desert kills a few but I still lose. WL 3-3
    i'm pretty sure this is 4-1 for you. OTD you just sit on desert forever. smashmaster can only make 6 goblins, so if desert eats one every turn, you get attacked for 5,4,3,2,1 (15). for smashmaster to kill you, the goblins have to wait until desert is tapped to start attacking, so you just can't ever suspend your ephemeron and stare at each other

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Struggling with 8 total points. But any consolation prizes for most points with 0 wins? ha

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    Agree - Draw 2-2

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    Nice. Neither one attacks. Draw 2-2

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    Flying gets there 0-6

    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    I believe you’ll get this no matter what I do. 0-6

    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    Agree – Draw 2-2

    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    ME

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    Fear doesn’t scare me. Draw 2-2.

    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    Flying right over me 0-6.

    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    I believe you’ll get this no matter what I do. 0-6

    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    Nice idea! I should have just stuck with what wasn’t broke, ha. 0-6.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by maxx! View Post
    i'm pretty sure this is 4-1 for you. OTD you just sit on desert forever. smashmaster can only make 6 goblins, so if desert eats one every turn, you get attacked for 5,4,3,2,1 (15). for smashmaster to kill you, the goblins have to wait until desert is tapped to start attacking, so you just can't ever suspend your ephemeron and stare at each other
    That's originally how I thought the match would go, one of the reasons I played Desert. Then I RTFC and saw Desert only kills at the end of combat step. So I take 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 - dead. Desert would have helped in 2 other matchups that never appeared, but turned out to be irrelevant. Unfortunately now it will get banned before anyone gets to use it for something.

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    gotta say, i don't feel good about playing sea's claim when literally half the field is on islands, haha. oh well!

    maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    sea's claim is a blank and two deepwalkers beats one. nice read. 0-6

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    OTP i can daze your rite and you can't ever do anything. OTD you make 6 goblins and i can't race that. 3-3

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    you can always pay for daze, and i can't race ephemeron. excellent deck. 0-6

    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    that's me : ]

    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    deepwalker vs deepwalker staring contest. 2-2

    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    OTP i suspend deepwalker. if you ever play your swamp, i daze your play and then claim your land, so you can't ever do anything. OTD you can make a heartstopper, but then i can claim your swamp and suspend deepwalker on my next turn. without the swamp you can't give deathtouch, so deepwalker should win that race. 6-0

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    this one is a little bit complicated. OTP i can always daze duress and claim your land, so your only play is suspend. OTD we both suspend, then you can try to duress but it'll get dazed and the swamp claimed. if you lead with duress, you have to take claim or get shut out, so i can daze disfigure. disfigure never works, so that simplifies the matchup to just deepwalker vs corpse. i can't block corpse, but since both threats attack for 3 and mine should come down first every time, it forces you to block and trade. 2-2

    8. H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge
    OTP i can daze anything you try to do and then claim your swamp. OTD you make a skirge that i absolutely can't race. very cool deck. 3-3

    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    this deck looks familiar. sea's claim is a blank and we can both pay for daze. no matter who can start attacking first, whichever player is losing the race can hold back to block and turn it into a draw. 2-2

    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    same as moosedog. OTP i can daze your first heartstopper and shut off your swamp, and OTD i can shut off your swamp before suspending to eliminate deathtouch. 6-0

    0+3+0+2+6+2+3+2+6 = 24

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    That's originally how I thought the match would go, one of the reasons I played Desert. Then I RTFC and saw Desert only kills at the end of combat step. So I take 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 - dead. Desert would have helped in 2 other matchups that never appeared, but turned out to be irrelevant. Unfortunately now it will get banned before anyone gets to use it for something.
    well this is embarrassing. i can't read. you're absolutely right

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by alphastryk View Post
    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    This is me

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    Duress beats Sea's Claim, and your threat is better than mine. LL 0-6
    You have this as LL, but Wrath has it as DD. One of you must do better than you think.

    If Wrath suspends his threat first, Sea's Claim + Unsummon locks him out.
    If Wrath Duresses Unsummon, Sea's Claim locks him out.

    Wrath must Duress Sea's Claim first. Then you both suspend your threats. Corpse is a turn slower (suspend 5) but evasive. Is Unsummon on Corpse enough tempo for you to win? It's enough to stop Wrath from racing, but Disfigure prevents 2 damage to slow you down a turn, and when Corpse returns on defense it can force a draw. This needs some math.

    Alpha vs Wrath OTP

    A - Suspend Deepwalker, 4 counters
    W - Duress Sea's Claim

    A - 3 counters
    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters

    A - 2 counters
    W - 4 counters

    A - 1 counter
    W - 3 counters

    A - Deepwalker attacks for 3. [W=17]
    W - 2 counters

    A - Attack [W=14]
    W - 1 counter

    A - Attack [W=11]
    W - Corpse stays back to block.

    A - Unsummon. Attack for 2 (blue is tapped). [W=9]
    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters

    Deepwalker wins in less than 5 attacks even with Disfigure preventing 2.
    Between going first, forcing Wrath to cast Duress before suspending his threat, having shorter suspend, and Unsummon, you buy enough tempo to get enough unblocked attacks.


    Alpha vs Wrath OTD

    W - Duress Sea's Claim
    A - Suspend Deepwalker, 4 counters

    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters
    A - 3 counters

    W - 4 counters
    A - 2 counters

    W - 3 counters
    A - 1 counter

    W - 2 counters
    A - Deepwalker attacks for 3. [W=17]

    W - 1 counter
    A - Attack [W=14]

    W - Corpse stays back to block.
    A - Unsummon. Attack for 2 (blue is tapped). [W=12]

    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=9]

    W - 4 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=6]

    W - 3 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=3]

    W - 2 counters
    A - Get Disfigured and attack for 1 [W=2]

    W - 1 counter
    A - Attack for 3 [W=-1]

    You're still just barely fast enough to kill before Corpse comes back.

    Wrath should draw the other matches, but Unsummon seals this one for you.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    Quote Originally Posted by FTW View Post
    You have this as LL, but Wrath has it as DD. One of you must do better than you think.

    If Wrath suspends his threat first, Sea's Claim + Unsummon locks him out.
    If Wrath Duresses Unsummon, Sea's Claim locks him out.

    Wrath must Duress Sea's Claim first. Then you both suspend your threats. Corpse is a turn slower (suspend 5) but evasive. Is Unsummon on Corpse enough tempo for you to win? It's enough to stop Wrath from racing, but Disfigure prevents 2 damage to slow you down a turn, and when Corpse returns on defense it can force a draw. This needs some math.

    Alpha vs Wrath OTP

    A - Suspend Deepwalker, 4 counters
    W - Duress Sea's Claim

    A - 3 counters
    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters

    A - 2 counters
    W - 4 counters

    A - 1 counter
    W - 3 counters

    A - Deepwalker attacks for 3. [W=17]
    W - 2 counters

    A - Attack [W=14]
    W - 1 counter

    A - Attack [W=11]
    W - Corpse stays back to block.

    A - Unsummon. Attack for 2 (blue is tapped). [W=9]
    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters

    Deepwalker wins in less than 5 attacks even with Disfigure preventing 2.
    Between going first, forcing Wrath to cast Duress before suspending his threat, having shorter suspend, and Unsummon, you buy enough tempo to get enough unblocked attacks.


    Alpha vs Wrath OTD

    W - Duress Sea's Claim
    A - Suspend Deepwalker, 4 counters

    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters
    A - 3 counters

    W - 4 counters
    A - 2 counters

    W - 3 counters
    A - 1 counter

    W - 2 counters
    A - Deepwalker attacks for 3. [W=17]

    W - 1 counter
    A - Attack [W=14]

    W - Corpse stays back to block.
    A - Unsummon. Attack for 2 (blue is tapped). [W=12]

    W - Suspend Corpse, 5 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=9]

    W - 4 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=6]

    W - 3 counters
    A - Attack for 3 [W=3]

    W - 2 counters
    A - Get Disfigured and attack for 1 [W=2]

    W - 1 counter
    A - Attack for 3 [W=-1]

    You're still just barely fast enough to kill before Corpse comes back.

    Wrath should draw the other matches, but Unsummon seals this one for you.
    Thanks for running through that, I'll update my results.

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    Re: 4 Card Blind

    H: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Duress, Skittering Skirge

    1. Asthereal (TO): Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze
    I can race on the Play, but not the the Draw. 3-3

    2. GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Empty the Warrens
    Duress win for me on the Play. On the Draw though I think we draw, since you can only hit me for 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 at which point I can't race, but I can still just stay blocking. 4-1

    3. FTW: Island, Desert, Daze, Errant Ephemeron
    Ephemeron flies, so I can't race. 2-2

    4. maxx!: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Daze, Sea's Claim
    I can race on the Play. Daze gets me on the Draw. 3-3

    5. alphastryk: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Unsummon
    Seas's Claim isn't too hot here and I can Duress and race. 6-0

    6. Moosedog: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Evil Presence
    3 Flying Power and all I have is a Swamp already. 6-0

    7. Wrath of Pie: Snow-Covered Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Disfigure, Duress
    I can race on the Play, Duressing Disfigure. I lose to your Duress on the Draw. 3-3

    8. H: Bye, myself.

    9. silkster: Island, Viscerid Deepwalker, Sea's Claim, Daze
    I win on Play. Daze gets me on the Draw. 3-3

    10. Tylert: Swamp, Skittering Heartstopper, Skittering Heartstopper, Call to the Netherworld
    3 flying power win the race. 6-0

    36? Wow, a lot better than I thought I'd do. Skittering Skirge was an old "joke" card I used to run way back when we were cracking packs of Urza's.
    "The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
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