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Starts with Return to Ravnica. The interesting part - nothing is banned, except fetches:
So WotC might have realized that fetches are a core problem, after all.
Why do I see a new format and my first thought is "Am I in an abusive relationship?"
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I hope your afterlife is filled with eternal torment.
Fuck. Which one of my quotes do I drop for this?
So now we will have Pioneer on MTGO and Historic on Arena.
I'm actually not at all bothered by this, honestly. I think one of the best things about Magic is how many formats there can be. It just depends on if this one is really "worth" playing. That I don't know, but I don't dismiss the idea of it, a priori.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
*groan*
I don't hate this, but the precedent it sets is frustrating... So every 15-18 years we'll have a new non-rotating format that everyone will incorrectly call Eternal?
Soooooo happy that fetches are banned.
Interesting to see if DRS ends up overpowered without any good fetches to go with it.
How aggravating! Just one more block back and my modern deck would have been legal!
Well, yeah, probably.*groan*
I don't hate this, but the precedent it sets is frustrating... So every 15-18 years we'll have a new non-rotating format that everyone will incorrectly call Eternal?
I think that we (the collective "we," that is) thought, in the past, that "non-rotating" formats (Eternal or not) would be every expanding endeavors. While that is true, in the sense of "raw" card-pool, the actually "playable" card-pool is actually constrictive, because the power-level is always rising.
That is to say, the cards you would realistically want to play are always the best of the best cards, which means, as the prospective card pool grows, what actually constitutes the "best of the best" gets smaller. In other words, outliers stand out more in a larger pool, rather than the opposite.
On a different note, someone elsewhere pointed out that DDT and TC are legal in this format.
And brother Deathrite!
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Well . . . lets look at the modern ban list . . . which cards would still need to be banned in the new format? I don't see which cards (from the sets that will be legal) won't be safe to unban without repeating modern?
Actually it's not too bad only the following would be "unbanned" compared to Modern:
Chrome Mox
Deathrite Shaman
Dig Through Time
Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
Treasure Cruise
They all deal with the same mechanic (except the mox) which is Delve/Graveyard filling.
Y'know, legal as in legal until it's banned.On a different note, someone elsewhere pointed out that DDT and TC are legal in this format.
This is the list of cards from those sets that have been banned somewhere.
Smugglers Copter
Treasure Cruise
Dig Through Time
Deathrite Shaman
Aetherworks Marvel
Reflector Mage
Attune with Aether,
Rogue Refiner
Ramunap Ruins
Rampaging Ferocidon
Field of the dead
Felidar Guardian
Emerakul the promised end
Well, yeah! For all the anti-Fetchland sorts, this format ought to be something worth taking note of.Y'know, legal as in legal until it's banned.
Perhaps this is Wizard's "test" of how big the anti-Fetch market is? That is, people who hate Fetches or just don't want/can't afford them. While also seeing just how much it "fuels" other cards, like the Delve spells and DRS?
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Right off the bat. Treasure Cruise and Dig need to be gone. There are plenty of ways to abuse this. These cards have proven to be too powerful in any format.
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I think you forgot Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, and also not sure if Chrome Mox counts since it was a masterpiece in Kaladesh? Is it legal in this format?
Hogaak was in Modern Masters, it's not legal in this format. And Expedition/Masterpieces don't give a card legality in a format unless it's "main" set prints do.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Ah got it! Thanks!
Upon further thought, this is probably bad for Legacy. Most of the coverage for Legacy is in SCG Team Trios and we also get decklists from their Classics. But Pioneer is likely to take Legacy's place in those events...
Out of curiosity, I am wondering how to abuse them with no fetch lands and no good cantrips? I feel like you'll need to run:
To approximate Fetches you can maybe run:
Evolving Wilds
Fabled Passage
Prismatic Vista
Terramorphic Expanse
Best remaining cantrips would be . . . ?
Opt
Witching Well
The safe words are 'mana screw'.
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I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Well, maybe? I don't know, it's hard to say if anyone really wants that.
I mean, I'm sure Wizards does, so how hard to do they push it? Then again, most "Pro" Magic player do not like Legacy, so maybe they do want this to be the case.
But I don't think that is necessarily bad for Legacy. "Official support" is not "saving" us. We either save our format, or let it die.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
Supplemental sets weren't included, so chrome mox and hogaak don't make the pool.
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