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  1. #41

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    UB show and tell? You're already running the emrakuls and grisslybrands, and the 5cmc force of will

  2. #42

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    Alright I guess throwing together shitpiles to brew with bad cards is my second nature, so here you go.

    4x Brainstorm
    4x Ponder
    4x Force of Will
    2x Preordain
    2x Flusterstorm
    2x Spell Pierce
    4x Show and Tell
    4x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    4x Omniscience
    4x Baleful Strix
    3x Yuriko
    4x Keen Duelist

    4x Polluted Delta
    4x Underground Sea
    3x Ancient Tomb
    3x Island
    1x Swamp
    1x Boseiju
    2x Scalding Tarn

    I suspect most of the wins won't come from the 2-mana do-nothing but the actual good cards (Yuriko, Show and Tell)

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunderbucket View Post

    I suspect most of the wins won't come from the 2-mana do-nothing but the actual good cards (Yuriko, Show and Tell)
    This is a seven mana effect on a two Mana body.

  4. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunderbucket View Post
    I suspect most of the wins won't come from the 2-mana do-nothing but the actual good cards (Yuriko, Show and Tell)
    I don't know about that. T2 Duelist, T3 Brainstorm during upkeep, putting Emrakul on top. That puts them pretty close to dead.

  5. #45

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    Oh! And MDFCs are lands with cmcs allowing you to raise the damage output without cutting land

  6. #46

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    Hmm looking at Ninja lists that placed they don't seem to pack any of the MDFC lands, not even the blue one that casts all the cantrips and sits at CMC7. I don't know if it's because it was tested and found to be just bad or of it's an oversight because people forget those lands exist. Still, 3 life, one single color and Wasteland vulnerability isn't negligible, and I guess in a deck that'll take random damage from its own Duelists while giving the opp cards that could be wastelands the issue will be exacerbated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoshim View Post
    I don't know about that. T2 Duelist, T3 Brainstorm during upkeep, putting Emrakul on top. That puts them pretty close to dead.
    T2 duelist pass, the opp has time to set up emrakul themselves, suddenly you're the one who's dead. Not everyone plays Emrakul you say? Alright, I guess they'll just set up Force of Will and deal you 5 while keeping FoW backup for whatever nonsense you throw at them next. Or they could just point at it any piece of removal under the sun short of Darkblast. Or you won't set up Emrakul because you'll have a hand full of lands and cantrips.

  7. #47

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    Legacy players slow to adapt?
    Well I never!

  8. #48

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    I did post a decklist, didn't I? Go wild and test it on Cockatrice, I am agog to be proven wrong. In the meantime I have other shitbrews to attend to.

  9. #49

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    Tombstalker and gurmag? Or a shitty Black Vise deck!?
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    I'm thinkin' Tin Fins or Big Black.
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  11. #51

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    Alright here's the fair version

    4x Brainstorm
    4x Ponder
    4x Thoughtscour
    4x Force of Will
    4x Force of Negation
    4x Daze

    2x Brazen Borrower
    2x Octavia
    4x Keen Duelist
    2x Ethereal Forager
    3x Cryptic Serpent
    2x Snuff Out
    4x Drown in the Loch

    1x Seagate Restoration
    4x Polluted Delta
    4x Prismatic Vista
    2x Island
    1x Swamp
    3x Underground Sea
    2x Scalding Tarn

    Octavia for extra meme flavor. Didn't put Tombstalker cause costing BB sucks. Edit: removed Gurmag Angler to avoid the tension between delve/cost-reduction cards as Zoid said. (I still think a couple of Ethereal Forager is ok because they provide CA, delve 4 isn't that bad, it pitches to forces, etc. List is not tested, tune it yourself.)
    Last edited by chunderbucket; 04-09-2021 at 10:30 AM.

  12. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunderbucket View Post
    Alright here's the fair version

    4x Brainstorm
    4x Ponder
    4x Thoughtscour
    4x Force of Will
    4x Force of Negation
    4x Daze

    2x Brazen Borrower
    1x Octavia
    4x Keen Duelist
    2x Gurmag Angler
    2x Ethereal Forager
    2x Cryptic Serpent
    2x Snuff Out
    4x Drown in the Loch

    4x Polluted Delta
    4x Prismatic Vista
    3x Island
    1x Swamp
    3x Underground Sea
    2x Scalding Tarn

    Octavia for extra meme flavor. Didn't put Tombstalker cause costing BB sucks.
    Me gusta, but I would either go for Delve or count stuff in the GY.
    Otherwise you're just going to play yourself.

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    Re: [C21] Commander 2021 spoilers

    I feel like the spell-lands (especially the ones that can enter untapped) are a really easy way to up our "big cost" count. Agadeem's a bit low-costed for that (and doesn't really work with Omniscience), but it does give us some inevitability over time. Sea Gate looks like a really strong inclusion. And Turntimber gets Griselbrand to swing for ten.

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    Fair but strong. Triggers for itself. 5/3

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    Re: [C21] Commander 2021 spoilers

    You don't have a food until the end of turn, so there's a window to Bolt it. At 4 mana and being able to Karakas it, Gyome doesn't seem too hot imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You don't have a food until the end of turn, so there's a window to Bolt it. At 4 mana and being able to Karakas it, Gyome doesn't seem too hot imho.
    I see the karakas line as a plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    You don't have a food until the end of turn, so there's a window to Bolt it. At 4 mana and being able to Karakas it, Gyome doesn't seem too hot imho.
    You obviously play it with Golden Goose (you're going to need some to ramp anyway if you want to play a 4 mana thing that needs 1 more to do other things)
    Last edited by chunderbucket; 04-11-2021 at 09:00 AM.

  18. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunderbucket View Post
    Afaik Burn lists exist with both Light Up the Stage and Skewer the Critics. Do people still play Bedlam Reveler? Anyway does Burn even want a two-mana thing that needs to untap before it does anything?
    Could Fireblast be back on the menu?

  19. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss View Post
    Could Fireblast be back on the menu?
    BR with Vial Smasher the Fierce, pitch spells and tutors.
    Could be a blast

  20. #60

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    Alright I've always wanted to build a pitch shitpile.

    4 Street Wraith
    4 Chancellor of the Dross
    4 Chancellor of the Forge
    2 Vial Smasher the Fierce
    2 Squee, Goblin Nabob
    4 Soul Spike
    4 Blazing Shoal
    4 Fireblast
    4 Entomb
    4 Badlands
    1 Mountain
    4 Bloodstained Mire
    4 Scalding Tarn
    1 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Reanimate
    4 Faithless Looting
    2 Unearth
    4 Keen Duelist

    Sideboard

    4 Stronghold Gambit
    4 Unmask
    4 Leyline of the Void
    1 Swamp
    2 Pyroblast

    You first get a few Chancellor triggers and then kind of hope to get there by either reanimating one of those, beating down with some Shoaled Goblin token or doing some dumb stuff with Soul Spike, with or without Duelist/Vial Smasher. More likely you'll just mulligan away bad hands and then topdeck Chancellors.

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