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    Re: Modern Horizons 2 Previews

    Scurry Oak infinite combo

    So in the best case scenario, in a green stompy deck, you play:

    T1:
    T2: Ivy Lane Denizen, go off, swing with a comically large Tree

    Too slow for normal decks, but with all the accelaration Green Stompy has, it's doable at a feasible speed. Both combo pieces are also GSZable and Allosaurus Sheppard can make the combo counter-proof.

    Chalice, 3ball and TKS can be thrown in for further protection.

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    I think Abundant Harvest will end up being the most consequential card of this set, because now you have 2 colors for cantrip bases, and almost 3:

    Blue/X: BS/Ponder

    Green/X: AH/GSZ

    Red/X: Faithless Looting/??

    Like, black and white are still fuxxed, and nothing really compares to counters as an answer to combo, but they are getting there. The easiest way with white would be to make something like Land Tax/Gift of Estates/Tithe work on less than OR equal #'s, instead of just less than. Black, I dunno, make something dumb with lifeloss drawback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    I think Abundant Harvest will end up being the most consequential card of this set, because now you have 2 colors for cantrip bases, and almost 3:

    Blue/X: BS/Ponder

    Green/X: AH/GSZ

    Red/X: Faithless Looting/??

    Like, black and white are still fuxxed, and nothing really compares to counters as an answer to combo, but they are getting there. The easiest way with white would be to make something like Land Tax/Gift of Estates/Tithe work on less than OR equal #'s, instead of just less than. Black, I dunno, make something dumb with lifeloss drawback.
    Cling to Dust?

    I also think Adventurous Impulse is underrated just because it's a bad Ponder.

    Suspend might also be really good since it gives blue a spot removal with some time to find a counter or get rid of something forever with 3feri or if it's a token.



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    Re: Modern Horizons 2 Previews

    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    I think Abundant Harvest will end up being the most consequential card of this set, because now you have 2 colors for cantrip bases, and almost 3:

    Blue/X: BS/Ponder

    Green/X: AH/GSZ

    Red/X: Faithless Looting/??

    Like, black and white are still fuxxed, and nothing really compares to counters as an answer to combo, but they are getting there. The easiest way with white would be to make something like Land Tax/Gift of Estates/Tithe work on less than OR equal #'s, instead of just less than. Black, I dunno, make something dumb with lifeloss drawback.
    You're forgetting Once Upon a Time, Ancient Stirrings, and Sylvan Library as other strong green options. Green has good cantrips now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I want to build Winter Orb Merfolk FTW. This, lords, daze, winter orb..

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    So I had been testing a deck I dubbed Vaka Nought for the past few weeks that was built around abusing Kroxa and Dreadnought with Stifle and Torpor Orb with a Xerox shell for sometime now with decent success. I was simultaneously testing a more mana hungry bant variant abusing Uro, Sylvan Library, Noble Hierarch and Scroll of Fate to solid results...

    Disapprove made we want to test it out in this shell and so far the results are extremely promising.

    I am absolutely in love with Disapprove...

    Vaka Nought 3.0

    4 Stifle
    4 Disapprove - proxied up in paper (using my Disallows to proxy for them) for testing

    4 Deathís Shadow
    4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
    4 Street Wraith
    3 Kroxa

    4 Brainstorm
    4 Force of Will
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Daze
    1 Reanimate
    1 Snuff Out
    1 Flusterstorm/Force of Negation
    1 Expedite/Temurís Battle Rage
    1 Spell Pierce/Drown In the Loch

    4 Wasteland
    14-15 Lands

    A 63 card deck for now, but I find this is the easiest and fastest way to figure out which cards I dislike seeing and want to cut.

    Bant Vaka Nought 3.0

    15-16 Lands
    4 Wasteland

    4 Stifle
    4 Disapprove

    4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
    4 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath
    3-4 Noble Hierarch
    1 Sylvan Library

    4 Ponder
    4 Brainstorm

    3-4 Daze
    4 Force of Will
    4-6 Utility (Currently in the process of alternatively testing Subtlety/Ice-Fang Coatl/Brazen Borrower/Scroll of Fate/Tarmogoyf/Misdirection/Flusterstorm/Spell Snare/Divert/FoN or StP/Teferi or Thoughtseize/Push. The rest of the list is finalized, this one utility slot is the missing piece to perfecting it.)
    Last edited by Clark Kant; 05-27-2021 at 01:23 AM.

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    Re: Modern Horizons 2 Previews

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Scurry Oak infinite combo

    So in the best case scenario, in a green stompy deck, you play:

    T1:
    T2: Ivy Lane Denizen, go off, swing with a comically large Tree

    Too slow for normal decks, but with all the accelaration Green Stompy has, it's doable at a feasible speed. Both combo pieces are also GSZable and Allosaurus Sheppard can make the combo counter-proof.

    Chalice, 3ball and TKS can be thrown in for further protection.
    Kind of interesting. I'd be inclined to run Veil of Summer and Avoid Fate rather than Chalice of the Void.

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    I love this little guy like you wouldn't believe it. It's great to see WotC filling a design hole like that to restore symmetry.

    Now give us Sulfur Elemental for blue creatures.

    Quote Originally Posted by ESG View Post
    Kind of interesting. I'd be inclined to run Veil of Summer and Avoid Fate rather than Chalice of the Void.
    CotV would be better all-purpose disruption. Veil could still be a SB card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittplayer View Post
    I want to build Winter Orb Merfolk FTW. This, lords, daze, winter orb..
    I donít like modern horizons since they seem to be making things because people want certain archetypes to be good rather than caring about balance or the colour pie. By itself itís a better beater than 99% of white 3 drops which is rediculous.

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    There are only two white 3 drops with this much power and toughness: Brimaz and Heliod, Sun Crowned.

    check it out

    Colour pie and balance only exists for white and black

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    Yeah you're right, 1UU 3/4 draw a card when it attacks (not even when it connects?) is already very solid even without the tribal fluff
    Pretty strong to have an un-boltable ophidian that doesn't even need to deal combat damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    There are only two white 3 drops with this much power and toughness: Brimaz and Heliod, Sun Crowned.

    ...

    Colour pie and balance only exists for white and black
    Dumb pushed card is dumb and pushed, but if you're going to count that way, how many do the other colors have? These days, it seems more like color pie and balance are things of the past, and less of the historic trend of not applying them to blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Dumb pushed card is dumb and pushed, but if you're going to count that way, how many do the other colors have? These days, it seems more like color pie and balance are things of the past, and less of the historic trend of not applying them to blue.
    3 mana 3/4s or better without a downside: Brimaz, leatherback baloth, and three recently printed green cards (Old-Growth Troll,
    Steel Leaf Champion,
    Thrashing Brontodon)

    There are a few more ones in black, blue and green depending on how much of a downside you feel doesnít matter (ammit eternal, headless skab, love struck beast)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    3 mana 3/4s or better without a downside: Brimaz, leatherback baloth, and three recently printed green cards (Old-Growth Troll,
    Steel Leaf Champion,
    Thrashing Brontodon)

    There are a few more ones in black, blue and green depending on how much of a downside you feel doesnít matter (ammit eternal, headless skab, love struck beast)
    In Green you also have Yorvo. And in fairness we should say Tarmogoyf for just 2 is usually 3/4 or better, and is now outclassed.

    I am not sure that the balance was good and is now broken: before creatures were very weak compared to spells, this has been re-equilibrated over the last years. Even as colorless, vanilla 3/4 for 3 would not been played today.

    Overall I have played quite a bit with piles that are just complete editions, and can say that except for aesthetic and nostalgic purposes (which I do value a lot), the old sets were not very fun, while the new ones are better balanced and more enjoyable as far as the gameplay is concerned.

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    The non-legendary clause sucks, but it seems still interesting. Too narrow for Legacy, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    The non-legendary clause sucks, but it seems still interesting. Too narrow for Legacy, probably.
    Yeah I think for legacy where you already have animate dead it's probably not going to see play but that feels very pushed for modern

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    A shame this costs 5 mana, since it would be a nice removal engine with Luminarch Aspirant. But as it stands, it becomes too clunky at 5 mana, 3 toughness and returning said creatures.

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    Even without Triomes, this can easily be a 4/4 on T2 with two different duals. Dryad can also easily turn it into a 5/5.

    Edit #2:

    Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
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    Urborg, but with Forests.

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    We got Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth that turns all lands into forests. Do we expect a cycle of these? It definitely seems to be useful for modern tron, not sure about legacy eldrazi.
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    Cradle of growth seems like you could do some silly things with flagstones in applejacks.

    It also seems like an ok one-of in lands to speed up lage combo instead of urborg or ancient tomb.

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