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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    They draw 7 from your Draw 7 and you draw 7 from it, which is triggering their ring copy to cause them to draw another 7 cards. Except all their draws get converted into treasure tokens via Hull Breacher.
    Ok, maybe you should specify you mean a Time Twister like effect during your turn.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    It's a 3 mana Squire that sits on its ass for an entire turn and needs another 2+ power creature to do anything. If it gets rolling, it sounds good, but I'm sceptical about it.

    The reanimation part could be interesting with the plainscyclers like Timeless Dragon/Angel of the Ruins. But those are quite a few hoops to jump through.
    Oh I'm not suggesting the card is good or playable, just that it's an extra little zone added on that isn't usually part of the effect. Exile blah blah, then when this leaves they get it back, just like all the others.
    Apparently they've expressed that white is now the color of reanimation effects. Looking forward to the 1 CMC white Reanimate that gains life :D
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    If you get divorced the ring does nothing
    Fine then, combo with MirageMirror.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!



    Thoughtseize, Duress and Inquisition all exist. Not sure if there's any deck for it.


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    If you get divorced the ring does nothing
    Still a flavor fail, as you don't lose half your shit.

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    Card draw and token generator? Sounds alright.

    Evasive lifelink tokens could potentially be very good. Definitely a card worth testing.



    I wonder if there are ways to break this card.
    Flashing in notion thief on your upkeep draws your whole deck.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Thoughtseize, Duress and Inquisition all exist. Not sure if there's any deck for it.
    If they start doing Cleave costs of "Pay 2 life" or "Discard a card" then it might get interesting. If its just CMC x and Cleave x+3 over and over then I'm bored of it already.
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    Flashing in notion thief on your upkeep draws your whole deck.
    Sounds cool - until you realize that you would kill yourself if you don't remove your Notion Thief in time since the loop doesn't stop itself. Gut Shot and the likes come into mind for that. Oracle + fast mana could be used as win con. But I doubt that it would be better than a Doomsday pile.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    If they start doing Cleave costs of "Pay 2 life" or "Discard a card" then it might get interesting. If its just CMC x and Cleave x+3 over and over then I'm bored of it already.
    Agreed, it's a tired comparison but it's secretly just Kicker again :/ as it's been spoiled so far the effect plays out like this:

    Pay cost -> do a thing
    Pay cost + extra cost -> do a better version of the thing

    Just because they found a clever way to format it like "destroy target [non-basic] land" doesn't make it not so.

    I know a lot of things can be reduced down to another version of Kicker if you squint at them long enough, but it's a problem when a new mechanic isn't even out yet and already it feels stale because it's recognizable as "more mana = more better = this is kicker"
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    Sounds cool - until you realize that you would kill yourself if you don't remove your Notion Thief in time since the loop doesn't stop itself. Gut Shot and the likes come into mind for that. Oracle + fast mana could be used as win con. But I doubt that it would be better than a Doomsday pile.
    It is usually not too hard to win once you have drawn your whole deck. Doing it at instant speed makes it a bit trickier but not horrible. The easiest way would be to copy the old modern ad naus kill of lightning storm plus SSG.

    Doesn’t really help that the combo relies on 2 4 mana permanents in different colours though.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by TsumiBand View Post
    Agreed, it's a tired comparison but it's secretly just Kicker again :/
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

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    Where is Lemnear when we need him?
    Ha! Didn't realize he was MIA. I suppose technically I am too, except like, Arena.

    I suppose there are a few cards on the spoiler list that break the pattern and so can't be strictly compared to Kicker. There's a Final Fortune variation that costs like 1RR with a Cleave cost that's like 6UUR or some uncastable jank and it cleaves off [you lose the game], which is awfully nice of them I suppose. Inb4 some terrible white "counterspell" says "restore the Cleave text of target spell" lmao.

    They could print some reeeeeeally shitty cards this way if they wanted to.

    Green Targeted Removal
    Instant

    Cleave

    Destroy target permanent [you control].

    They would never do this, but they totally should do this. Think of the memes!
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!



    Looks like an unfortunate waste of nice art though.
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!



    Kinda reminds me of Mentor, except for creature spells. It can trigger the first Training for the tokens itself, so that's nice.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Chandra doesn't seem amazing, but she's not awful for CMC 3. Not for Legacy Burn, but close to what a Burn planeswalker would need to be.
    Speaking of CMC 3, can't wait for the upstage, "Liliana, Dressed to Murder"
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    Thoughtseize, Duress and Inquisition all exist. Not sure if there's any deck for it.



    Still a flavor fail, as you don't lose half your shit.
    A marriage that only lasts a few turns use more of an annulment

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

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    Looks like an unfortunate waste of nice art though.
    I think you are a bit unfair here. This is arguably better than Liliana the last hope. And it is comparable to W6 and Chandra TOD.

    It is a 3 cmc planeswalker that has removal on a plus. The list of cards like that is very short. Oko and Liliana the last hope only. RB daretti, Gideon of the trials, and grist if you squint I guess.

    I’m pretty sure this ends up in the slower moon prison decks. In burn it is comparable to lavamancer but doesn’t require fetches and is better vs control.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    1 Damage is to player or planeswalker, not to creature. Liliana the Last Hope is removal on plus and the ultimate is game winning.
    This is just value & value & value, which can be good in the right deck, but is not a one card combo like the planeswalkers that get played in Legacy.
    Still I'm sticking with, "not bad" in review
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateKing View Post
    1 Damage is to player or planeswalker, not to creature. Liliana the Last Hope is removal on plus and the ultimate is game winning.
    This is just value & value & value, which can be good in the right deck, but is not a one card combo like the planeswalkers that get played in Legacy.
    Still I'm sticking with, "not bad" in review
    Ooof I thought it was creature or planeswalker. RTFC.

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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    Ooof I thought it was creature or planeswalker. RTFC.
    Yeah, I mean, I probably was a bit harsh, but I don't know that it seems all that good. Maybe in a non-Legacy format? Not sure. I mean, apples and oranges, but the new 4-mana Sorin seems much better, even considering the big difference between mana cost 3 and 4.
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    Re: Innistrad Crimson Vow: A Red Wedding That Won't Dissapoint!



    Looks like a decent SB card. It competes with Toxic Deluge and is less flexible, but also doesn't cost life.


    Pretty decent card for Soul Sisters.


    This only counts actual mana spend and not spells cast with alternate costs like Fireblast, right?

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