I'm going to be honest, if we have to beat quad-Wastes it's better to start the season over from scratch because that alone is going to ban so many strategies.
Is it better to make illegal decks score 0 and everyone gets 6 against them, or just not count them as entries? Do two illegal decks go 0-0, 2-2, or, 3-3 against one another?
The change in ban strategy and the change in target decks has certainly made this season quite chaotic. We probably think that the same rules from the start but also requiring all decks to beat 4x Wastes would have led to a more interesting and less draw-heavy season, and it might have, but I'm not entirely convinced. I'm happy to embrace the chaos.
I like this. You must beat both of the bottom decks.
+1 to beating both decks, I think that narrows things down significantly
There's a reason that the traditional Backbuild hand-to-beat is typically all blank cards with no characteristics. (Even that doesn't really spare the traditional arguing over what has to be beat, which is why Backbuild is awful.) Having to beat Wastes is an entirely different Backbuild format, because that alone excludes like 90% of the traditional strategies. I'm not convinced that 10% of Backbuild is that good of a stand alone format.
Clearly there are many ways to play Backbuild, each presenting its own kinds of puzzles. I’ve been having fun so far and I’m sure it will continue being fun no matter what rules set dte chooses going forward.
The rules chage every week so really we're playing 10 different Backbuild formats.
When I checked the banlist this week, I was surprised that Helix Pinnacle unbanned itself. I also didn't get why the whole target deck was temporarily banned week 1 (to prevent imitating it) but not this week (allowing imitation). I noticed and played Dreadship Reef (and considered Word of Command), but others may have thought they couldn't play those cards at all. I would prefer more consistency with the rules and bans.
I think we should have a good discussion about it once, then keep the same rules for the remaining format. We could just make the season short so it doesn't get stale.
Edit: If we are making changes, I prefer beating both target decks to beating 4x Wastes.
Here are the scores, and the banlists.
Please vote on your favourite system!
So, scores for the round:
2,2 FourDogsinaHorseSuit
2,3 Dooey
2,0 Reeplcheep
0,3 alphastryk
3,2 Wrath of Pie
2,0 RoosterCocoa
2,0 GoblinSmashmaster
3,2 BirdsOfParadise
3,2 Silkster
2,2 Symbi
1,8 FTW
1,4 Asthereal
And general season ranking:
1. Silkster 10,4
2. BirdsOfParadise 10,3
3. Wrath of Pie 10,2
4. RoosterCocoa 9,2
5. Dooey 7,8
6. Symbi 7,7
7. FTW 6,6
8. dte (TO) 6,6
9. Reeplcheep 6,2
10. jfb1337 5,2
11. alphastryk 5
12. GoblinSmashmaster 4,3
13. FourDogsinaHorseSuit 4,2
14. Raketenudo 2,9
15. Asthereal 2,7
The race on top is still neck and neck!
next target decks:
Academy Ruins Dreadship Reef Mindslaver Demonic Pact
City of Brass Dreadship Reef Aura Flux Teferi's Imp
With my system, there would be no bans (I do not see any banworthy card in the top decks). So same banlist as R3, except helix is back on:
Rainbow Vale
Lotus Petal
Forbidden Orchard
Flailing Soldier
Flailing Ogre
Heartless Summoning
Flailing Manticore
rhystic cave
Saproling Cluster
Helix pinnacle
And with the other system:
Boseiju, who shelters all
Ancient Tomb
City of Brass
Cognivore
Dreadship Reef
Hint of Insanity
Guiltfeeder
Ivory Mask
Flailing Soldier
Rainbow Vale
Roiling Vortex
One with Nothing
Archangel's Light
Forbidden Orchard
Timberland Ruins
Heartless Summoning
Flailing Ogre
Phage the Untouchable
Lotus Petal
Blinkmoth Infusion
rhystic cave
Mana Crypt
Mox Emerald
Saproling Cluster
Street Wraith
Arcane Signet
drifter il-dal
final fortune
summoner's pact
So do i need to beat both targets and wastes.dek?
Both targets?
One target and wastes.dek?
Ah too bad. I preferred beating 2 non-Wastes targets. 4x Wastes is too stronk. I guess everyone was sick of decks that can't win.
I prefer the short banlist but with temporary ban on the week's target decks (so you can't just imitate one, e.g. Mindslaver lock the Mindslaver deck that was already designed to lose the mirror).
Last edited by FTW; 09-01-2022 at 03:22 PM.
I prefer dte's ban list.
Slight preference for not temp-banning the cards in the target decks, as I think that mimicry of the target decks is an interesting aspect of the meta... but either way is OK with me!
Honestly, we should go with this plus Flailing Manticore (it can still be built to beat quad-Wastes, and lies in wait for future rounds). Otherwise, we'll still be drawing almost everything the rest of the way. (Also, I want to troll a future round with Jinxed Choker.)And with the other system:
Boseiju, who shelters all
Ancient Tomb
City of Brass
Cognivore
Dreadship Reef
Hint of Insanity
Guiltfeeder
Ivory Mask
Flailing Soldier
Rainbow Vale
Roiling Vortex
One with Nothing
Archangel's Light
Forbidden Orchard
Timberland Ruins
Heartless Summoning
Flailing Ogre
Phage the Untouchable
Lotus Petal
Blinkmoth Infusion
rhystic cave
Mana Crypt
Mox Emerald
Saproling Cluster
Street Wraith
Arcane Signet
drifter il-dal
final fortune
summoner's pact
Folks should vote on bans so we can start the round, I wanna know what’s legal.
The other system and temp banning the cards in the DTB.
I want to use a card on the long banned list so let's use the short one more round
I would like to temp ban the cards in the DTB and abstain from voting on the bans.
Short list and no banned Goblins!
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