FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?
I expected anti-discard tech like Loxodon Smiter, so I wanted to mimic the deck, but was also nervous Rack was too good.
Also had T1 Dark Ritual Lost Soul, but it's illegal because it loses OTD to Inkmoth. Leyline + Tatterkite is a very clever solution to that problem!
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre
I can only get your hand below 3 cards for 1 turn, before you redraw Legacy Weapon. OTP I can play Rack & discard you before Ogre attacks once. But Ogre's "intervening if" won't trigger at 20 life, so Rack will deal 1 damage but it won't steal Ogre. Then Ogre attacks and you're always ahead on life. LL 6-0
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity
You don't reveal Leyline, and I can't dare Raven's Crime you. Bazaar charges to 1000 counters. Then Duelist races Rack at 1 damage. Rack would win on your upkeep, but you can respond to Rack trigger to kill me first. LL 6-0
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth Rite, Legacy Weapon
Your hand never goes below 3-4 cards, so Rack deals 0 damage. LL 6-0
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite
3 damage vs 2 damage WW 0-6
I knew I was losing this match, but I thought this type of deck would be illegal, missing the Tatterkite trick to beat Inkmoth's first attack OTD.
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence
OTP T1 Crime (discard Providence) / tapped land.
T2 2nd Crime (discard Noxious to protect Melira) / Melira
T3 Rack / Melira attacks [F=18, S=23]
3 damage vs 2 damage, I win the race
OTD T1 tapped land / Crime (discard Providence)
T2 Melira / Rack (1 card in hand)
T3 attack with Melira [F=18, S=24] / 2nd Crime (in response, you Noxious putting back Providence)
T4 redraw, attack [F=16, S=19]
From there it's 2 damage vs 2 damage and you win the race at 1 life.
WL 3-3
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation
If you do nothing, I can't win. Each Crime makes you a 1/1 and I'd lose. But if I don't cast Crime we draw. DD 2-2
23 points (7 loss, 2 draws, 3 wins)
Last edited by FTW; 09-10-2024 at 08:55 PM.
2 answers in, two disagreements for me: maybe I have to think a bit more :/
Otherwise on the black lotus topic: my card was sulfuric vortex and that would have made full sweep... except others would probably have played lotus too :)
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre, comment:
me, playing ogre
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity, comment: Difficult round
0-6
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth RIte, Legacy Weapon, comment: Goblin smash!
4-1
Another legacy player!
4
Edit: 3-3
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite, comment: Trying to imitate inkmoth nexus. Hopefully people aren't using land destruction or melira!
6-0, tatterkite is too good.
10
FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?
1-4
Edit2:0-6, no trigger
11
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence, comment: RI
6-0, providence is unbeatable!
17
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation, comment:[/QUOTE]
2-2
19
But don't you need both to trade with the ogre?Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
I hope you're right, but I see this as DD.
You OTP, you play rack. If I play Ogre, you force me to discard weapon, and APNAP gives you the ogre. So I do not cast ogre. Later my mana is gone. So, D and 4-1 for you?
Last edited by dte; 09-11-2024 at 12:38 AM.
Fixed. DL 4-1
I think you vs Reeplcheep is DD 2-2. Mutagenic Growth + Ogre vs 2 Rootwalla and +2/+0: 4/4 vs 3/1+1/1
Yah it’s DD Mb. 12 points
Lotus, Lotus, Sulfuric Vortex, Loxodon Smiter?
I thought about playing cards like Vortex but it was too slow with Lotus Bloom or charge lands.
This one may be WL 3-3
dte OTP
T1 Ogre / 1/1 haste goblin
T2 Ogre attacks
If Goblin blocks + Gut Shot, you Mutagenic Growth and win combat (D=18, G=18). Then life totals are tied so you keep Ogre to attack again.
If Goblin doesn't block and attacks back (D=19, G=18), you still keep Ogre.
Goblin OTP
T1 1/1 haste goblin (D=19)
This time you start out lower on life and don't keep the Ogre.
True that!
I thought using growth on first attack makes me lose, didn't thought gut shot did the same.
I edit.
OTP silkster can revival providence in response to the 2nd crime. Which makes it 2 vs 2 damage with a large headstart. WL?
Then don't you lose to the ceiling deck? Bandit's Talent will deal 2 damage each turn + Sulfuric Vortex damage, killing you first. Needs to be something like Loxodon Smiter that forces them to never play Bandit's Talent, letting Inkmoth get raced by Vortex.
I tried to brew something like Vortex, but it was either losing to Bandit's Talent or too slow vs Inkmoth (without Lotus). It was hard to make a "bad deck" that survived 2x discard and wasn't raced by either wincon.
Clever, did not think about Revival being used to go back up to 1 card.
You're right again. But then maybe Emrakul rather than smiter. I would have been really scared to play smitter this round.
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Goblins are small enough!"
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre, comment:
Goblin smash, then goblin too small 3-3
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity, comment: Difficult round
Goblin too small 6-0
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth Rite, Legacy Weapon, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me, able to lose with 1/1s!
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite, comment: Trying to imitate inkmoth nexus. Hopefully people aren't using land destruction or melira!
Gutshot 0-6
FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?
Goblin smash 0-6
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence, comment: RI
Gutshot 2-2
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation, comment:
Gutshot 2-2
13 goblin points!
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre, comment:
Ghazbán Ogre is the perfect terrible card to defeat Providence.
0-6
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity, comment: Difficult round
Duelist blocks and shoots. I'm glad someone played a card that wins via targeting. A nice find, but unlucky that no one else played Leyline of Sanctity.
6-0
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth Rite, Legacy Weapon, comment: Goblin smash!
We just trade.
2-2
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite, comment: Trying to imitate inkmoth nexus. Hopefully people aren't using land destruction or melira!
I played the card that you were scared of but we still just trade. I guess I could have played Leyline of Sanctity and a discard-beater like Loxodon Smiter, but I was afraid that people would play targeting win-conditions.
I'm half/one turn faster than you, so you just block.
2-2
FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?
I have no defences against Raven's Crime.
6-0
Damn, didn't see Noxious rebuying Providence to hand. Nice line.
3-3
double edit: Oh, it was reeplcheep seeing this. Good and fun catch!
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence, comment: RI
I can't look at or hear the card Providence without thinking "RI".
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation, comment:
One of you dudes attacks while one hangs behind, and you win any combat.
6-0
This round was indeed very difficult. For the longest time I could only think of a few decks, and they basically all went 2-2 against one another, except for the Show and Tell deck preying on Chancellors. I was pretty much planning to play that since Wednesday until some last minute inspiration found a deck that goes 6-0 against S&T. Basically all of my decks were like triple Chancellor of the Tangle/Lotus Petal with a medium threat, or Revival/Sanctity + Smiter + land + medium threat, or sometimes mixing in a Chancellor of the Tangle with a card like Legacy Weapon that returns to hand after being discarded. I was worried that this week was going to nearly all draws because I really couldn't find other things. I'm really happy for the diversity that showed up. Backbuild rounds/seasons can get kind of ridiculous, but I really like the power level of these decks for a backbuild round.
I don't think APNAP matters here. Doesn't Ghazbán Ogre have an intervening if-clause? So if you start your upkeep with equal life, it doesn't trigger at all.
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Good point!
Ghazban Ogre won't trigger at 20-20, it won't even be on the stack.
Rack trigger will deal 1 damage. (19-20)
Then dte redraws Legacy Weapon.
Ogre will attack (19-18)
Then dte is always ahead on life and Ogre doesn't trigger.
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite, comment: Trying to imitate inkmoth nexus. Hopefully people aren't using land destruction or melira!
Here I am trying really hard to lose to Island of Wak-Wak (which no one is playing)
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre, comment:
0-6, I just attack too fast/evasively
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity, comment: Difficult round
6-0, can't attack through duelist eventually
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth Rite, Legacy Weapon, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0, losing to gutshot
FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?
6-0, getting raced since I have to dump my hand pretty quickly
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence, comment: RI
2-2, I block since you played fast Melira. The version I had envisioned was charge land, 2xMelira, ray of revelation (playing VERY narrow enchantment removal in order to get raced).
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation, comment:
0-6, everyone is out here playing ground creatures. No respect for Island of Wak Wak!
20 points
I completely played myself this round. My first submission, the day that the new round was determined, was dryad arbor, 2x island of wak-wak, ray of revelation because I found that it lost to most of the other decks I thought of, and the ones it didn't lose to it drew with (And indeed I think it would have been a clean sweep here. None of your threats are discarding enchantments or flying creatures). But then I thought, well other people may come up with this too, and find answers. So I spent the whole week trying to find a reasonable deck that loses to the wak-wak deck. I found torment of scarabs but it was too hard to play (this is what I would have played with black lotus! Or if there existed a version of ancient spring that tapped for green and sac'd for black), then eventually I found tatterkite and I convinced myself that it was better than the dryad arbor deck. It was certainly more interesting! If I'd played leyline and lost soul (which I did consider) I would have done a lot better, but I was obsessed with the wak wak so all my threats had to fly lol.
My black lotus deck would have been torment of scarabs, black lotusx2, ancient tomb, and it loses to emrakul or smiter!
Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Deadeye Duelist, Loxodon Smiter, Leyline of Sanctity, comment: Difficult round
dte: Mutagenic Growth, Legacy Weapon, Chancellor of the Tangle, Ghazbán Ogre, comment: - LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Gut Shot, Boggart Birth Rite, Legacy Weapon, comment: Goblin smash! - WW
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Lotus Petal, Dark Ritual, Tatterkite, comment: Trying to imitate inkmoth nexus. Hopefully people aren't using land destruction or melira! - WW
FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun? - DD - Disagreement: I don't do anything because you can Raven's Crime to win the damage race when we both are at 2 life.
Silkster: Havenwood Battleground, Melira, Sylvok Outcast, Noxious Revival, Providence, comment: RI - WW - It took me way too long to get the comment, which meant I wasn't in the right state of mind.
reeplcheep: Blazing Rootwalla, Blazing Rootwalla, Tarnished Citadel, Ray of Revelation, comment: - LL
4l2d = 14 points
I tried to make things like Desecration Elemental work, but Blackmail had to be target player for some reason. I probably should have tried a more compact win condition, seems better to hide the fourth card from Blackmail rather than play Leyline of Sanctity.
Oh, good catch. This actually changes the ceiling deck!
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What does RI stand for?
And I edit back for FTW.
Providence is a city in Rhode Island. I spent several years writing my address like:
123 Tree street,
Providence, RI
02903
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