1. silkster (TO): Through the Breach, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation, Pact of Negation
Misstep is blank here. LL 0-6, 0 total
2. dte: flash, Thassa's Oracle, silence, Tibalt's Trickery
Blast your flash, Misstep silence, Unsub trickery. WW 6-0, 6 total
3. Dooey: Angel's Grace, Veil of Summer, Flash, Thassa's Oracle
Blast flash and misstep veil. WW 6-0, 12 total
4. FTW: Savage Summoning, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Mindbreak Trap
If I don't play Tidehollow, if you cast your own tidehollow I unsub it and blast your unsub. If I play tidehollow, I turn on mindbreak trap. DD 2-2, 14 total
5. jfb1337: Mana Short, Tibalt's Trickery, Black Lotus, Thassa's Oracle
When I'm OTP you mana short and I blast, then unsub trickery when you cast it, then Tidehollow and take oracle. OTD I can't beat oracle + trickery + mana short. WL 3-3, 17 total
6. FourDogsinaHorseSuit: leyline of anticipation, laboratory maniac, street wraith, pact of negation
Unsub labman and blast pact. WW 6-0, 23 total
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Wheel and Deal, Angel's Grace
Blast wheel, unsub Pyro, and my 2/2 beats your 1/1. WW 6-0, 29 total
8. BirdsOfParadise: Fountain of Cho, Path to Exile, Sliver Queen, Solitude
When I'm OTP, I cast tidehollow. You must cast solitude in response to the trigger or I take it, blast sliver queen, and misstep path. Then I let tidehollow die and take sliver queen (Note if I unsub solitude you just cast it again and it's also a draw). When I'm OTD, if you cast sliver queen I blast it and unsub solitude so you don't cast it and it's still a draw. DD 2-2, 31 total
9. Symbi: Mental Misstep, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Red Elemental Blast
Thats me!
10. Asthereal: Wistful Thinking, Silence, The Rack, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Unsub silence, blast wistful, misstep rack, but I can't beat tabernacle. DD 2-2, 33 total
11. Reeplcheep: Tidehillow Sculler, Laboratory Maniac, Leyline of Anticipation, Leyline of Lifeforce
Unsub tidehollow and blast labman (when it's on the battlefield). WW 6-0, 39 total
12. Wrath of Pie: Leyline of Anticipation, Manamorphose, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation
Unsub thoracle and blast pact. WW 6-0, 45 total
GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Thassa"
1. silkster (TO): Through the Breach, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation, Pact of Negation
Goblin smash! 6-0
2. dte: flash, Thassa's Oracle, silence, Tibalt's Trickery
Tricky Tibalt silences me :( 0-6
3. Dooey: Angel's Grace, Veil of Summer, Flash, Thassa's Oracle
Goblin smash! 6-0
4. FTW: Savage Summoning, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Mindbreak Trap
Goblin stare 2-2
5. jfb1337: Mana Short, Tibalt's Trickery, Black Lotus, Thassa's Oracle
Tricky Tibalt shorts me :( 0-6
6. FourDogsinaHorseSuit: leyline of anticipation, laboratory maniac, street wraith, pact of negation
Goblin smash! 6-0
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Wheel and Deal, Angel's Grace
That's me still playing Goblins!!
8. BirdsOfParadise: Fountain of Cho, Path to Exile, Sliver Queen, Solitude
Goblin smash! 6-0
9. Symbi: Mental Misstep, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Red Elemental Blast
Too many counters :( 0-6
10. Asthereal: Wistful Thinking, Silence, The Rack, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Goblin smash! 6-0
11. Reeplcheep: Tidehillow Sculler, Laboratory Maniac, Leyline of Anticipation, Leyline of Lifeforce
What a maniac :( 0-6
12. Wrath of Pie: Leyline of Anticipation, Manamorphose, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation
Goblin smash! 6-0
38 Goblin points
Last edited by GoblinSmashmaster; 10-26-2022 at 06:14 PM.
I went with labman because with a draw spell I could force action using my draw step and then cycle. The leyline was for instant speed.
The idea was, I got to have one protection spell, two cards for the combo, and a third to answer timing, plus leyline because I needed to do this all at instant speed
BoP’s score for round “I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle”:
1. silkster (TO): Through the Breach, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation, Pact of Negation
I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle.
2. dte: flash, Thassa's Oracle, silence, Tibalt's Trickery
I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle.
3. Dooey: Angel's Grace, Veil of Summer, Flash, Thassa's Oracle
I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle.
4. FTW: Savage Summoning, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Mindbreak Trap
It does appear that I can pick up a win because Mindbreak Trap doesn’t work against me and Fountain of Cho counters bounce. Six points.
5. jfb1337: Mana Short, Tibalt's Trickery, Black Lotus, Thassa's Oracle
I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle.
6. FourDogsinaHorseSuit: leyline of anticipation, laboratory maniac, street wraith, pact of negation
I only have one removal ready T0 or T1. You jam Lab Man, I use Solitude, you counter it, you go Street Wraith, you win.
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Wheel and Deal, Angel's Grace
Wheel and Deal is an instant. You can empty my hand with the Chancellor trigger on the stack. Goblin smash.
8. BirdsOfParadise: Fountain of Cho, Path to Exile, Sliver Queen, Solitude
Back when I was a kid I heard about this card called Sliver Queen. I took all my savings and bought an absolutely huge number of booster packs — five, to be specific — hoping to get a Sliver Queen. I got a bunch of Spikes and some Hornet Cannons, but no Sliver Queen.
9. Symbi: Mental Misstep, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Red Elemental Blast
You go Sculler. With its ETB on the stack, I evoke Solitude because I don’t want to die (and I’d die if Sculler took Solitude). You cast Unsubstantiate on Solitude the spell. I evoke Solitude again, using my other white card. We draw. 2-2, that’s eight so far for me.
10. Asthereal: Wistful Thinking, Silence, The Rack, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
OTP you use Wistful to empty my hand. When I am OTP, I cast Sliver Queen (only thing I can cast). Tabernacle gets rid of it and storage land can’t save it.
11. Reeplcheep: Tidehillow Sculler, Laboratory Maniac, Leyline of Anticipation, Leyline of Lifeforce
Fountain of Cho is too slow to cast Path to Exile. Tidehollow Sculler trades with Solitude and then Lab Man wins.
12. Wrath of Pie: Leyline of Anticipation, Manamorphose, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation
I didn’t read Thassa’s Oracle.
Oof, not much luck for Team Storage Land this time!
Total: 8 pt
Last edited by BirdsOfParadise; 10-26-2022 at 01:09 PM.
Asthereal's results for round overthinking overanalysing separates the body from the mind:
1. silkster (TO): Through the Breach, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation, Pact of Negation LL
2. dte: flash, Thassa's Oracle, silence, Tibalt's Trickery LL
3. Dooey: Angel's Grace, Veil of Summer, Flash, Thassa's Oracle LL
4. FTW: Savage Summoning, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Mindbreak Trap WW
Yay for Nacle getting a game.
5. jfb1337: Mana Short, Tibalt's Trickery, Black Lotus, Thassa's Oracle LL
6. FourDogsinaHorseSuit: leyline of anticipation, laboratory maniac, street wraith, pact of negation LL
7. GoblinSmashmaster: Chancellor of the Forge, Pyrokinesis, Wheel and Deal, Angel's Grace LL
8. BirdsOfParadise: Fountain of Cho, Path to Exile, Sliver Queen, Solitude WW
Either Whistful or Nacle gets your Queen, and you can't stop the Rack.
9. Symbi: Mental Misstep, Tidehollow Sculler, Unsubstantiate, Red Elemental Blast DD
Stare contest after we stop each other's wincon. Unsubstantiate on Silence ruins my day here. I can't replay it, lacking white mana, so you get to have Misstep for Rack and we trade all our resources.
10. Asthereal: Wistful Thinking, Silence, The Rack, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale <-me
11. Reeplcheep: Tidehillow Sculler, Laboratory Maniac, Leyline of Anticipation, Leyline of Lifeforce LL
12. Wrath of Pie: Leyline of Anticipation, Manamorphose, Thassa's Oracle, Pact of Negation LL
Total: 14 points
Yeah, simple plan of insta-launching Thassa's Orcale in whatever fashion is just better. I had like 10 decks in my gauntlet, and ended up meta'ing completely wrong.
Also, it helps if you read your cards. I had Leyline in my deck for so long I ended up forgetting that Whistful is a sorcery. Ouch.
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From what I can see, there are only two disagreements in the spreadsheet. One was resolved in discussion, and in the other I think Chancellor of the Forge wins against the double leyline deck. Leylines is forced to act to stop the goblin, and once one creature is committed to the board, Wheel and Deal forces the other out and then Pyrokinesis takes them both out.
I'll update the ban list later today when I'm at a computer and I'll open the round in a day or two.
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I am forced to act, but similarly to the streetwraith deck I can put both on the stack. This means the sculler etb will trigger while the lab man is on the stack. So wheel does nothing and it is impossible to confluence both.
If leylines casts Labman, holds priority and then also casts sculler then wheel and Deal is dead.
When sculler resolves it's trigger goes on the stack. Smasher can respond with Pyrokensis, or it can lose the pyrokensis to the tirgger. Both outcomes will leave: Kenesis unplayable. Labman on the stack.
Labman Resolves. Goblins has no answer until the draw step.
I agree. Reeplcheep wins both.
GoblinSmashmaster probably thought what silkster did. It is not obvious that you can hide Lab Man from both Pyrokinesis and Wheel and Deal by leaving it on the stack. That is not normally something you do with creatures.
Then Angel's Grace can prevent one Lab Man win, but it will win again next turn. And the 2/2 still beats a 1/1.
Yup. That's what I missed. What a fun play! (Though maybe not for Reeplcheep's victim.) Thanks for checking my thoughts.
The first round is done. Oracle and Lab Man both made the ban list, as did many other turn 0 strategies, including two Leylines and one Chancellor. I'm excited for next week, but I don't know what I'm playing yet. I'll open the round in a day or two.
The new additions to the ban list (and currently the entire list) is:
Angel's Grace
Chancellor of the Forge
Flash
Laboratory Maniac
Leyline of Anticipation
Leyline of Lifeforce
Mental Misstep
Pact of Negation
Pyrokinesis
Red Elemental Blast
Silence
Thassa's Oracle
Through the Breach
Tibalt's Trickery
Tidehollow Sculler
Unsubstantiate
Veil of Summer
Wheel and Deal
Last edited by silkster; 10-27-2022 at 01:45 AM.
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I appreciate that I played three of the now-banned cards and still did poorly. Naturally, that means that someone will destroy the next round with Manamorphose.
ROUND 2 OF SEASON 14: WUBRG is now open.
After a bit of Halloween delay, I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 2, and for fun I made a salted hash at https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha256.html which is bb873832312d8834ad37070cedf26c77379531b53656939a648fc054713b7781.
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