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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    Deck was awesome to play. The no stick still can get there. The minus was combo, notably reanimator tonight. They go first, they win. I go first, I win. So I think I tweak to focus more on combo may be the correct adjustment. I did want a cast into the fire somewhere, but that was only an issue once anyway. Comet is amazing. Seemed to win games off his back way more then expected. Also happy I still kept 2 helix main, made for the strangest ďburn mirror.Ē

    Something to be said about the old archetypes, they can still be strong.
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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    Rest in Peace is too slow to interact with Reanimator. You might want to try something else ETutorable like Tormod's Crypt or Relic of Progenitus (good in many fair matches too). Still, if they go first then they can shred your hand apart, so it's a tough position. You just need as much T0-T1 interaction as possible post-board. FoW, FoN, Surgical, Fluster, Swords, etc.

    I think Counterbalance isn't good enough in enough matches to maindeck, especially with that little support. I've been trying to play it for a while with various support but it's been medium. How was it for you? Perhaps that could be something like +1 Ponder +1 Force of Negation (from SB). That might help the combo matchup. You could always move CB to the side and bring it in when it's good.

    Was Mentor still a good wincon? It's been kind of out-classed lately. That slot could just be Forth Eorlingas! maindeck.

    Fire // Ice seems good to have somewhere in the 75 just as a way to 2-for-1 two X/1s, especially Delver creatures or Bowmaster + army. It's always been a classic to put on Isochron.

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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    That is what happened against reanimator, itís shredded my hand the games it went first. If I went first I was fine.

    Canít imprint fire//ice on scepter anymore, unless that changed again. But itís always been a go to for me.

    Counterbalance I find interesting. With how many he format plays it can generally counter half of the spells randomly in that 0-2 cmc which is nice. It makes the free counters better in that respect. Best counterbalance deck I played recently was miracles though. Take that for what you will.

    I feel mentor is still good purely because it will add pressure as you just play the game. Thatís the strength in it. When I sided into eorlingas it was to speed up the pressure and win faster. If that clarifies it at all.
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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    Quote Originally Posted by Weapon X View Post
    Canít imprint fire//ice on scepter anymore, unless that changed again. But itís always been a go to for me.
    Forgot about the rule change. That's how long it's been since I've played Scepter.

    Counterbalance I find interesting. With how many he format plays it can generally counter half of the spells randomly in that 0-2 cmc which is nice. It makes the free counters better in that respect. Best counterbalance deck I played recently was miracles though. Take that for what you will.
    I've tried CB in a few UWx Miracles shells since the Top ban. They typically had 4 Brainstorm, 4 Ponder/Portent, Predict, 8-9 fetches, maybe Omen of the Sea or Scroll Rack. Much more library manipulation, more at instant speed. Even then CB was good but not amazing. Nothing like the Top days.

    You've just got the 4 Brainstorm 3 Ponder 1 Jace. At instant speed only Brainstorm. Is that enough to use CB?

    Sure, you can get lucky with blind CB. But you can also get unlucky even at 0-2 cmc. They might play 2cmc when you reveal 1s, or 1cmc when you reveal land. A good opponent will wait and cast a bait spell first, to check the top card, then cast business if the coast is clear. If you don't have much instant manipulation then you can't do much to stop that line.

    Most top Miracles and UWr decks don't play CB anymore and haven't for a while.

    This is a recent Miracles deck that still does play CB:
    https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=48972&d=561074&f=LE
    It's a weird build splashing green for Beanstalk and Loam (18 land Loam control deck??), with a lot of high CMC cards, and 1 CB in the side only. Beanstalk + CB makes no sense to me. There are 19 cards at 4+cmc!! CB at least fits your curve better.

    If you do keep CB, I like ETutor as another instant enabler. You can time tutoring so that you also counter a card of that CMC before you get the card you want. It undoes the -1 card ETutor normally costs.

    Edit: This is a more reasonable-looking CB Miracle deck. It uses Scroll Rack, Predict, and Palantir.
    https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=47735&d=551472&f=LE

    CounterTop Goyf 2023

    //Lands: 20
    4 Flooded Strand
    2 Scalding Tarn
    1 Polluted Delta
    1 Misty Rainforest
    4 Island
    2 Plains
    2 Tropical Island
    1 Tundra
    1 Karakas
    2 Mystic Sanctuary

    //CounterTop: 5
    2 Counterbalance
    1 Scroll Rack
    2 PalantŪr of Orthanc

    //Goyf: 3
    3 Murktide Regent

    //Spells: 30
    4 Force of Will
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Prismatic Ending
    2 Spell Snare
    2 Predict
    2 Lůrien Revealed
    3 Terminus
    1 Entreat the Angels

    //Planeswalkers: 2
    2 Teferi, Time Raveler

    //Sideboard: 15
    4 Veil of Summer
    3 Carpet of Flowers
    2 Flusterstorm
    2 Containment Priest
    1 Surgical Extraction
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Force of Negation
    1 Back to Basics

    This really hates on Bowmasters with Spell Snare and Veil. It has a ton of library manipulation to support Counterbalance.
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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    Honestly Iím still not sure how I feel about counterbalance overall. The top era is when I liked it. Now I feel like investing into other cards to try to optimize is almost a mistake. Iím really in it for the random flips at this point. Worst case it pitches to force, but it is a way to get some minor info as well. So grain of salt, I donít hate it here but it also isnít necessary.
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    Re: Stick of the Patriot

    On another note, why no Pyroblast or Hydroblast in the side? They're generally strong SB cards for UWr right now. In your deck they also go on Scepter for reusable 2-mana counter/Vindicates.

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    Honestly it was just because of what I was expecting and that I felt counterbalance would randomly hit things.
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