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    What do you think is the minimum amount? Best options are Angler, Murktide, Nulldrifter, and Bane. Consider that a control deck getting even one 3 draw trigger is likely enough to put them over the top.

    Also consider it is still really powerful to get the 4-6 trigger especially when you are playing a lot of high CMC cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Blood View Post
    What do you think is the minimum amount? Best options are Angler, Murktide, Nulldrifter, and Bane. Consider that a control deck getting even one 3 draw trigger is likely enough to put them over the top.

    Also consider it is still really powerful to get the 4-6 trigger especially when you are playing a lot of high CMC cards.
    the problem is its a 3 mana do nothing investment to start with. Show and Tell wins the game on the spot and also costs 3 mana.

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    The do nothing part was one of my initial concerns. That said, I don't find this comparable to SnT at all nor does the impact of resolving SnT somehow set the bar of what is a viable 3 drop in the meta as a whole.

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    I think Up the Beanstalk and Simulacrum Synthesizer show that "do nothing" enchantments with repeatable effects are powerful. Now, both of those cards do have an effect when they come into play. Kozilek's Unsealing actually does nothing when played, and it is more narrow than those cards, so I don't think it joins Tier 1 decks, but I think something can be built around it and be a Tier 2 list.

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    This seems impactful
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    Looking at the most recent MtGTop8 MTGO League (https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=55647&f=LE), here are the cards that would get stopped by this:

    Reanimator: 4 Grief, 4 Unmask, 4 Lotus Petal
    Rhinos: 4 Fow, 4 FoN, 3 Crashing Footfalls, 2 Endurance (+1 Endurance in the sideboard)
    Beanstalk: 4 FoW, 3 Daze (Sideboard: 1 FoN, 1 Force of Vigor, 1 Surgical Extraction)
    Lands: 4 Mox Diamond (Sideboard: 3 Force of Vigor)
    Control: 2 Endurance, 2 Solitude, 4 FoW (Sideboard: 2 Force of Vigor, 2 Surgical Extraction)
    Control: 4 FoW (Sideboard: 3 Surgical Extraction)
    Ranimator: 4 Grief, 4 Daze, 4 FoW
    Ranimator: 4 Grief, 4 Daze, 4 FoW (Sideboard: 1 FoN, 2 Mindbreak Trap, 2 Surgical Extraction)

    72/480 = 15% of maindeck cards
    91/600 = 15.17% of total cards

    This card looks to mainly affect Grief and FoW. There were no decks in this top 8 with baubles, which this would also hit. This cards is almost a combination of a Chalice on 0 + spells can't be countered, at least for the early game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoshim View Post
    Looking at the most recent MtGTop8 MTGO League (https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=55647&f=LE), here are the cards that would get stopped by this:

    Reanimator: 4 Grief, 4 Unmask, 4 Lotus Petal
    Rhinos: 4 Fow, 4 FoN, 3 Crashing Footfalls, 2 Endurance (+1 Endurance in the sideboard)
    Beanstalk: 4 FoW, 3 Daze (Sideboard: 1 FoN, 1 Force of Vigor, 1 Surgical Extraction)
    Lands: 4 Mox Diamond (Sideboard: 3 Force of Vigor)
    Control: 2 Endurance, 2 Solitude, 4 FoW (Sideboard: 2 Force of Vigor, 2 Surgical Extraction)
    Control: 4 FoW (Sideboard: 3 Surgical Extraction)
    Ranimator: 4 Grief, 4 Daze, 4 FoW
    Ranimator: 4 Grief, 4 Daze, 4 FoW (Sideboard: 1 FoN, 2 Mindbreak Trap, 2 Surgical Extraction)

    72/480 = 15% of maindeck cards
    91/600 = 15.17% of total cards

    This card looks to mainly affect Grief and FoW. There were no decks in this top 8 with baubles, which this would also hit. This cards is almost a combination of a Chalice on 0 + spells can't be countered, at least for the early game.

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    You play that against grief scam they're just going to reanimate grief and you'll still lose

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    You play that against grief scam they're just going to reanimate grief and you'll still lose
    Yeah man those 1-for-3s are too OP
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    This seems impactful
    huge win for fair non blue decks, i love it, also its not "opponent only" so the non fair decks wont just adopt it themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    huge win for fair non blue decks, i love it, also its not "opponent only" so the non fair decks wont just adopt it themselves
    Historically I feel like cards that neuter Force aren’t for the “fair decks”
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    Almost lock with Knowledge Pool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
    huge win for fair non blue decks, i love it, also its not "opponent only" so the non fair decks wont just adopt it themselves
    I think a lot of decks will run it. The fact that the owner can turn it off for 1 mana and also get a draw out of it breaks the symmetry of the effect some.

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    I see it very good in dark depth decks ; shuting down tempo decks and combo decks all the leds petal mox, beseech the mirror creative technique which were auto lose for dark depth ( i speak about gwdepth maybe in lands where you can play your mox diamond before the card and also maybe in bgdepth) might be playable in death and taxes but it still shuts down solitude.

    The card can't be played in combo deck because it shuts down all the fast mana. I don't think the card will see ton of plays but it will definitely see plays because of the fact that you have to build a little around cause really lot of decks are impacted by the card, a little like playing chalice deck, you need to adapt your deck not to be shut down by your own card.

    I see the card restricted in vintage like chalice of the void was restricted play your mox then this card, but it is an other format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Yeah man those 1-for-3s are too OP
    Do you think a normal grief scam is a 2 for 3?

    Because this line, like regular grief scam, is a 3 for 3.
    In which I spend 3 cards: A black one, A grief, and a Reanimate, and get 3 cards of value: Your useless bauble, a card from your hand, and a 3/2 menace.

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    Because this line, like regular grief scam, is a 3 for 3.
    In which I spend 3 cards: A black one, A grief, and a Reanimate, and get 3 cards of value: Your useless bauble, a card from your hand, and a 3/2 menace.
    bauble can still draw a card so it is not that useless

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrieng View Post
    bauble can still draw a card so it is not that useless
    It is until they do it

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    Re: [MH3] Modern Horizions 3: Rotation Days Are Here Again

    Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
    Do you think a normal grief scam is a 2 for 3?

    Because this line, like regular grief scam, is a 3 for 3.
    In which I spend 3 cards: A black one, A grief, and a Reanimate, and get 3 cards of value: Your useless bauble, a card from your hand, and a 3/2 menace.
    Useless in that it draws a card instead of you making me discard a card?

    This is a really bad argument, do you seriously think that the initial instance of Grief doing something and not nothing is entirely incidental to this line of play being good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrieng View Post
    I see it very good in dark depth decks ; shuting down tempo decks and combo decks all the leds petal mox, beseech the mirror creative technique which were auto lose for dark depth ( i speak about gwdepth maybe in lands where you can play your mox diamond before the card and also maybe in bgdepth) might be playable in death and taxes but it still shuts down solitude.

    The card can't be played in combo deck because it shuts down all the fast mana. I don't think the card will see ton of plays but it will definitely see plays because of the fact that you have to build a little around cause really lot of decks are impacted by the card, a little like playing chalice deck, you need to adapt your deck not to be shut down by your own card.

    I see the card restricted in vintage like chalice of the void was restricted play your mox then this card, but it is an other format.
    Elves, Ruby Storm, and High Tide don’t care about it much but can use it protectively
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    Re: [MH3] Modern Horizions 3: Rotation Days Are Here Again

    You guys are missing other uses:
    1) decks can cycle it at any time to dodge the symmetry
    2) Urza's Saga target
    3) does what Baubles do: digs, triggers Prowess, triggers descend, adds card type to graveyard, adds to Affinity, increases GY size, feeds Welder

    Any artifact deck like 8cast, Painter, Coveted Jewel, and Black Saga Storm can play it as a 1-of Saga target. If they need to cast a 0, cycle. Until then it boosts artifact count and disrupts a lot!

    Decks with Force could even play it if they're using Force defensively to protect a proactive line (Show and Tell, Dredge, Doomsday). It shuts off most enemy interaction you'd use Force on (Force, Daze, Grief, Surgical, Force of Vigor, Solitude). Helps protect when you don't have Force in hand. If you have both Bauble & Force and still need to Force something... pay 1.
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