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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

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    Is this really powerful for the deck?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvoi View Post
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    Is this really powerful for the deck?!
    Extremely worse sanctum
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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Quote Originally Posted by Noctalor View Post
    Extremely worse sanctum
    Well, the only possible way it is better though is if you have Sterling Grove out so it gets Shroud, where Sanctum is harder to protect from something like Wasteland. But, in every other way it is much worse.
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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Another Enchantress Creature - Legendary and no shroud

    "Sythis, Hand of the Harvest"
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    Legendary Enchantment Creature - Nymph
    Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, gain 1 life and draw a card.
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    https://mythicspoiler.com/mh2/cards/...heharvest.html

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    The fact that it's a Legendary is a no-go for me. At least you can GSZ zénith it.

    Sanctum Weaver looks cool though.
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    I play decks with a lot of white enchantments, and white isn't even my favorite color.

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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Quote Originally Posted by H View Post
    Well, the only possible way it is better though is if you have Sterling Grove out so it gets Shroud, where Sanctum is harder to protect from something like Wasteland. But, in every other way it is much worse.
    It's also better than sanctum in the sense that it can tap for green (obviously it doesn't make the card overall better but it's just another aspect to consider)

    The fact that it's a Legendary is a no-go for me. At least you can GSZ zénith it.
    Are you just referring to the downside of not being able to play multiple copies?
    If your opponent uses Karakas on it you can replay it and it triggers all of your enchantress effects again (and you can even do that yourself with your own Karakas)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedemiel View Post
    The fact that it's a Legendary is a no-go for me. At least you can GSZ zénith it.
    You probably only want to run 1-2 Sythis, Hand of the Harvest anyway so legendary isn't too awful. It is an enchantment and a creature so you'll draw cards off of your other enchantresses when you cast her. Karakas lets you replay her which is good. But the BIG downside is no protection (shroud / hexproof). She dies to Bolt, STP and everything else. The life gain is a bit moot. Imho, she's not good enough to replace Argothian Enchantress or Enchantresses Presence. However she could replace the Eidolon of Blossoms slot. She doesn't draw off of her ETB but she does trigger other enchantresses, she costs 2 less and is still GSZable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Brains View Post
    You probably only want to run 1-2 Sythis, Hand of the Harvest anyway so legendary isn't too awful. It is an enchantment and a creature so you'll draw cards off of your other enchantresses when you cast her. Karakas lets you replay her which is good. But the BIG downside is no protection (shroud / hexproof). She dies to Bolt, STP and everything else. The life gain is a bit moot. Imho, she's not good enough to replace Argothian Enchantress or Enchantresses Presence. However she could replace the Eidolon of Blossoms slot. She doesn't draw off of her ETB but she does trigger other enchantresses, she costs 2 less and is still GSZable.
    This is how I feel as well. It seems like a 1-2 of in some builds. It's the first time the deck has access to more than 4 2 cmc enchantresses, so that's pretty cool. I like the Karakas bounce and replay as there are certainly times where you need a little reach with a few bad draws, even though rare. The life gain isn't super consequential but it's better than no life gain at all I suppose.

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    Maybe if you give Weaver hast with Instill Energy or Crossroads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu View Post
    Maybe if you give Weaver hast with Instill Energy or Crossroads.
    It's sad man, but in the past I was tinkering around with Instill Energy, and I have to tell you

    Enchanted creature can attack as though it had haste.

    So it doesn't work, what a shame
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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Quote Originally Posted by WorstBandNameEver View Post
    Another Enchantress Creature - Legendary and no shroud

    "Sythis, Hand of the Harvest"
    GW
    Legendary Enchantment Creature - Nymph
    Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, gain 1 life and draw a card.
    Illus. Ryan Yee 1/2

    https://mythicspoiler.com/mh2/cards/...heharvest.html
    It costs 2 mana. Automatic 4-of, typeline "Legendary" be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watersaw View Post
    It costs 2 mana. Automatic 4-of, typeline "Legendary" be damned.
    Card is pretty darn good. I'm not sure I'm jamming as an auto-4 of, but we'll start at 2 and go up from there.

    People, remember that Sterling Grove will probably protect it most of the time, and if you're playing GSZ, you can slide it out into play. I don't think Sanctum Weaver is bad either as a 1-of for value.

    My list from before:

    5 Forest
    2 Plains
    2 Serra's Sanctum
    1 Hall of Heliod's Generosity
    4 Windswept Heath
    2 Verdant Catacombs
    2 Savannah
    1 Bayou
    1 Taiga
    20

    4 Argothian Enchantress
    4 Destiny Spinner
    1 Doomwake Giant
    9

    4 Sterling Grove
    4 Elephant Grass
    2 Solitary Confinement
    10

    3 Wild Growth
    2 Abundant Growth
    4 Utopia Sprawl
    4 Enchantress' Presence
    13

    1 Rest in Peace
    1 Sylvan Library
    2 Cast Out
    1 Words of War
    1 Nether Void
    2 Enlightened Tutor
    1 Green Sun's Zenith
    9

    61

    --SIDEBOARD--

    1 Nether Void
    2 Carpet of Flowers
    1 Stony Silence
    2 Rest in Peace
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Karmic Justice
    1 Humility
    2 Abrupt Decay
    1 Assassin's Trophy
    1 Helm of Obedience
    1 Arasta of the Endless Web
    1 Drop of Honey

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    This was my older list. I'd probably cut the Cast Outs for Sythis and go from there...
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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Brains View Post
    You probably only want to run 1-2 Sythis, Hand of the Harvest anyway so legendary isn't too awful. It is an enchantment and a creature so you'll draw cards off of your other enchantresses when you cast her. Karakas lets you replay her which is good. But the BIG downside is no protection (shroud / hexproof). She dies to Bolt, STP and everything else. The life gain is a bit moot. Imho, she's not good enough to replace Argothian Enchantress or Enchantresses Presence. However she could replace the Eidolon of Blossoms slot. She doesn't draw off of her ETB but she does trigger other enchantresses, she costs 2 less and is still GSZable.
    I feel like that, but i'd rather replace the Eidolon slots with GSZs (can search for our Argothians and are also more versatile than more Enchantresses, especially now that we have so many Enchantment Creatures that are Enchantress playable) than another Enchantress effect that's inherently worse than the ones the deck already uses. The only part in which i feel she is interesting is the lifegain part - it's the first Enchantress effect to ever do that, and it could be important on some MUs like Burn - if it wasnt for the fact that a single Shock is enough to kill it, let alone a Bolt. And i don't think it's worth it to run it hoping to put a Grove out; it's a suboptimal thought on the game line of the deck.

    Quote Originally Posted by WorstBandNameEver View Post
    This is how I feel as well. It seems like a 1-2 of in some builds. It's the first time the deck has access to more than 4 2 cmc enchantresses, so that's pretty cool. I like the Karakas bounce and replay as there are certainly times where you need a little reach with a few bad draws, even though rare. The life gain isn't super consequential but it's better than no life gain at all I suppose.
    Even though, the Karakas-bounce-replay thing might be once another good way to mitigate the bad draws the deck sometimes get stuck on. Maybe one copy... ish?

    I mean, i'll test it - but i don't have great expectations for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by alvoi
    Is this really powerful for the deck?!
    Nope, not at all. Similarly to Sythis, it only works well with the strategy when paired with Grove or Auramancy (that i really don't think anyone runs on their builds) and it doesn't generate mana when it comes in. Sanctum being vulnerable to Wasteland is only irrelevant because you should - and can - only play it at the exact moment you're gonna make enough mana to win the game on the spot. With Weaver, you'll have to wait a whole turn. And i don't fancy running things like Crossroads just to enable this one card.

    Personally, those two belong in Modern Enchantress - if that ever comes to be a thing. :/

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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4048654#paper
    I've had a lot of success with this list lately, going to be trying just 1 Sythis for now, I like the life gain and the ability to trigger my other enchantress effects, so I think it could be alright, despite the fact that it's the only creature in the deck that doesn't work with Cavern Of Souls on human. I still really do like Cavern, it makes FoW matchups so much easier.

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    Re: [Deck] Solitaire (Enchantress)

    Quote Originally Posted by sainttobias View Post
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/4048654#paper
    I've had a lot of success with this list lately, going to be trying just 1 Sythis for now, I like the life gain and the ability to trigger my other enchantress effects, so I think it could be alright, despite the fact that it's the only creature in the deck that doesn't work with Cavern Of Souls on human. I still really do like Cavern, it makes FoW matchups so much easier.
    So, you don't find space for the Sanctum Weaver?

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