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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    October 2018 Update

    The report of my death was an exaggeration, the reports on Death's Shadow on the other hand...




    A higher point total in a few months. 3144 points total with a cut off at 145. That gives us a total of 5 decks.
    • Grixis Control
    • Miracle Control
    • Eldrazi
    • Sneak and Show
    • Grixis Pyro


    So, we gain Sneak and Boredom as well as Pyro. We lost UB Shadow, DnT and ANT. That's one of the more active changes we have had in a while.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    November 2018 Update

    The Elves go marching to war, meet as of untold Depths. I wonder what could be trapped under that ice?




    3007 points for the month. Names Bond, Tri Bond. Anyway, cut of is 138, so we have 8 decks.
    • Miracle Control
    • Eldrazi
    • Grixis Control
    • Turbo Depths
    • Sneak and Show
    • ANT
    • DnT
    • Elves!


    We lose Pyro while gaining the heretics, Storm, DnT and some of Robin Hoods archers. Seems like a fair trade to me. Also to note, Stax got 6 points this month. Go Stax. You keep trying and one day you might even be a tire 3 deck again.
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    December 2018 Update

    Sorry I am late, I will try not to do this again.




    2824 total with a cut at 130. That leaves us with 9 decks. 9. Wow.
    • Grixis Pyro
    • Miracle Control
    • Eldrazi
    • Sneak and Show
    • ANT
    • Turbo Depths
    • Grixis Control
    • DnT
    • U/R Delver


    We lose Elves and gain Pyro and UR Delver. Poor elves.
    We lose Pyro while gaining the heretics, Storm, DnT and some of Robin Hoods archers. Seems like a fair trade to me. Also to note, Stax got 6 points this month. Go Stax. You keep trying and one day you might even be a tire 3 deck again.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    January 2019 Update

    And the new year arrives too... more of the same. Its' more of the same. Hey, you play Legacy, its basically the motto of the format.




    2576 total with a cut at 119. That leaves us with 7 decks. But DnT and Eldrazi are close enough I will include them too.
    • Miracle Control
    • Blade Control... What? Where the hell did you come from?
    • ANT
    • Grixis Control
    • Turbo Depths
    • Sneak and Show
    • Grixis Pyro
    • DnT
    • Eldrazi


    Out goes U/R, DnT and Eldrazi. Officially at least. In comes Blade control? What the hell? Hey you do you. I hate Batterskull as much as the next guy, but you do you.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    February 2019 Update

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    3013 this month. That's high that normal of late, something I am glad to see. The cut off lands at 138.6 and Pyro is 138. I think I will just give it to them. With Pyro that is 7 decks.

    • Miracle Control
    • Blade Control... Still hear? Shit I think I will have to plan around it.
    • DnT
    • Eldrazi
    • Grixis Control
    • ANT
    • Grixis Pyro

    We say goodbye to SnT (Woot) and the Heretics that follow the path of Turbo Depths (Lands is a deck guys, you can worship our Queen while following the one truth path). All in all it feels like nothing changed this month. Well other than the number 8 spot was Red Stompy. Keep an eye open for them, they have been picking up online these last few weeks.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    March 2019 Update

    Good thing that top got banned and Miracles went away.




    4089 this month. Big month. The cut off is 188 meaning that Red Stompy misses but a whisker. Almost had 7 decks this month.

    • Miracle Control
    • UR Delver
    • DnT
    • Blade Control
    • Grixis Control
    • Turbo Depths

    So, coming out is Eldrazi, ANT and Grixis Pyro. Coming in is UR Delver and some silly list of cards that uses Depths in a heretical way. Curse them.
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    April 2019 Update

    Wait what! DnT did what? Finn, explain yourself.




    3525 for the month giving us with 7 decks with the cut at 162. Top billing going to DnT? What the fuck? Ok.

    • DnT
    • Miracle Control
    • UR Delver
    • Grixis Control
    • Blade Control
    • ANT
    • SnT


    We lost Depths while gaining ANT and SnT. If that new Mull rule comes in expect to see a lot of SnT and RB. I dont think SnT is going away.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    May 2019 Update

    I know sometimes I fuck this up, but I hope I can spell the month of May without any issues. Here is to hoping right?




    So we drop to a kind of low, 2992. Thats the kind of low I am happy to have. Cut off is 138 leaving us with 6 decks and ANT just missing out.

    • Miracle Control
    • DnT
    • Grixis Control
    • UR Delver
    • Blade Control
    • Eldrazi


    So we lost SnT and ANT (Only just on ANT) while picking up Eldrazi. Though I wonder how much of the Edrazi we are seeing right now is that new post build. That thing is nuts.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    June 2019 Update

    Lets get this show back on the road.




    June was 3658, cut at 168.

    • UR Delver
    • Grixis Control
    • Miracle Control
    • Blade Control
    • DnT
    • Turbo Depths



    July 2019 Update

    And now.




    And now we have a cut of 3173, cut off at 146. With 5 decks making the cut. Lands only one point out, so I will shift it in too.

    • UR Delver
    • RuG Delver
    • Miracle Control
    • Turbo Depths
    • 4c Delver
    • Lands
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    March Update:




    So, this month has both suppressed results, from the ongoing fact that the pandemic has all but eliminated all paper results, and the fact of the number one deck there being Banned already.


    So, computationally, our outcome should be a cutoff of 54 points. Since results were low, I don't think we got the full divergence we usually would, since that would give us a "top" 11 decks (minus one banned), and I think even 10 is too many.


    As I result, I am going to just take the "next" top 8 decks, giving us:
    Death and Taxes
    Miracles
    UR Delver
    BUG Midrange/Control
    Eldrazi
    RUG Delver
    4C Control
    OmniTell
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    Oh how a month changes things! With some help from a busted new mechanic, of course. April 2020:






    Again, suppressed results from lack of paper event, and so on. Computationally, we should be about 41 points. However, honestly, it doesn't seem, to me, that Omni is really dominating or doing much. So, I am going to cut to the top 8.


    4C Control (Snowko, Czech Pile and more!)
    Grixis Tempo
    RUG Delver
    Eldrazi Stompy
    ANT
    Patriot Delver
    BUG Delver
    Bomberman
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    So, May of 2020, results are still all over, due to suppressed paper play, still, and the whole Companion debacle.




    The question is, what now? While Grixis and TA results were mainly fueled by the now banned Lurrus, even post post ban, Grixis has put up results. TA has not. So, I am inclined to cut TA. Our computational level should be about 37 points, but, like has been usual, our suppressed results has not given us much divergence. RUG Delver is in, along with Miracles, Infect, 4c and Lands. Now, "Fish" is actually Esper Vial and that clearly has enough points.

    Also, I am inclined to exclude Gyruda for the moment, until the deck demonstrates that it can win through the Companion rule change.

    RUG Delver
    Grixis Delver
    4c Control
    Miracles
    Infect
    R/G Lands

    We don't have a thread for a real Esper Vial deck. I could reuse Bahra's Spicy Popcorn thread, but that hardly is the same deck. Might just have to hold off on that deck while I work up a thread.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    New year, new process I am going to try. Since we are still in a low-data era and likely to stay in one, I am going to do a bi-monthly analysis for this year.

    So, with this new process (I had to manually merge the data), here is what the cutoff looks like with November and December 2020's data:

    1 4c Control 102 24 Infect 22
    2 Death and Taxes 95 25 Lands 21
    3 Other 83 26 Reanimator 21
    4 Temur Delver 68 27 Eldrazi Stompy 20
    5 Hogaak 66 28 Temur 19
    6 Elves 59 29 4c Loam 17
    7 Red Prison 56 30 Turbo Depths 17
    8 Goblins 52 31 Jeskai 16
    9 Grixis Delver 40 32 Merfolks 15
    10 Ninjas 40 33 Dredge 14
    11 All Spells 39 34 UBx Shadow 14
    12 Aluren 38 35 Painters 13
    13 OmniTell 35 36 Pox 13
    14 Cephalid Breakfast 34 37 Sultai Delver 8
    15 Burn 33 38 Deadguy Ale 7
    16 Bant 32 39 Miracles 7
    17 12 Post 31 40 Ad Nauseam Tendrils 6
    18 Mill 31 41 Bomberman 6
    19 Maverick 29 42 Enchantress 6
    20 Stoneblade 28 43 Esper Vial 6
    21 Doomsday 27 44 Grixis Control 6
    22 Izzet Delver 25 45 Lutri Deck 6
    23 Urza 23 Total: 1346
    Cutoff: 47.11

    So, this means we have 7 Decks to Beat:
    4C Control
    Death and Taxes
    RUG Delver
    Hogaak (Placeholder thread, seems we don't actually have a dedicated Hogaak thread?)
    Elves
    Dragon/Red/Moon Stompy
    Goblins

    Also if anyone knows a more appropriate thread for Hogaak (or wants to make a Primer for it), let me know.

    As always comment, criticism, or questions are welcome in the open thread here.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    OK, here we go, the combined data for January and February of 2021. Obviously with Valki getting hit with the Cascade nerf-bat, I did not consider it, so we will take the other top 8 decks:


    1 Temur Delver 86 27 Turbo Depths 25
    2 Ninjas 77 28 Sultai 22
    3 Death and Taxes 70 29 Merfolks 21
    4 All Spells 61 30 Doomsday 19
    5 Valki Cascade 61 31 Mono Black 15
    6 Elves 57 32 Urza 15
    7 Aluren 56 33 Bomberman 14
    8 OmniTell 54 34 Mill 14
    9 Maverick 50 35 Hogaak 13
    10 4c Control 49 36 Mono Blue 13
    11 Jeskai 47 37 Slivers 13
    12 Dredge 45 38 Buried Phoenix 9
    13 Stoneblade 45 39 Deadguy Ale 9
    14 Other 42 40 Tin Fins 9
    15 12 Post 40 41 Sultai Delver 8
    16 Burn 40 42 UBx Shadow 8
    17 Bant 39 43 Esper Vial 7
    18 Turbo Depths 38 44 Food Chain 7
    19 Infect 36 45 Sneak and Show 7
    20 Eldrazi Stompy 34 46 The Epic Storm 7
    21 Red Prison 34 47 Jund 6
    22 Cephalid Breakfast 33 48 Landstill 6
    23 Izzet Delver 33 49 Mono Black Aggro 6
    24 Goblins 30 50 Pox 6
    25 Temur 30 51 Tibalt Cascade 6
    26 Reanimator 27


    Our cut-off here is 51 points, meaning that Maverick just makes it and 4C Control just misses.
    RUG Delver
    Ninjas!
    Death & Taxes
    Oops, All Spells!
    Elves!
    Aluren
    Omnitell
    Maverick


    As always, I welcome any comments, questions or concerns. Interesting results that, having not really looked into the data, would not quite have expected.
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    Re: DTBF Philosophy & Deck Selection

    March, April, May, June 2021 merged:


    1 Izzet Delver 235 29 Tin Fins 37
    2 Death and Taxes 200 30 UBx Shadow 31
    3 Elves 189 31 Eldrazi Stompy 30
    4 Ninjas 150 32 4c Loam 29
    5 Turbo Depths 121 33 Doomsday 29
    6 Reanimator 90 34 Landstill 28
    7 Miracles 85 35 Esper Vial 26
    8 OmniTell 85 36 Pox 23
    9 Maverick 68 37 Sultai 23
    10 Other 66 38 Grixis Delver 22
    11 Stoneblade 66 39 The Epic Storm 22
    12 Lands 65 40 Nic Fit 17
    13 Sneak and Show 65 41 12 Post 16
    14 Temur Delver 64 42 Humans 16
    15 Food Chain 57 43 Mill 16
    16 Infect 54 44 MUD 15
    17 Burn 51 45 Esper 14
    18 Dredge 50 46 Slivers 14
    19 Painters 49 47 Bomberman 13
    20 All Spells 46 48 Deadguy Ale 13
    21 4c Control 45 49 Jeskai 11
    22 Ad Nauseam Tendrils 41 50 Affinity 9
    23 Goblins 41 51 Jund 8
    24 Hogaak 40 52 Buried Phoenix 7
    25 Cephalid Breakfast 39 53 Enchantress 7
    26 Aluren 38 54 Merfolks 6
    27 Red Prison 38 55 Mono Black 6
    28 Grixis Control 37


    Oh boy, that was a good bit a data. Seemed fairly clear, aside the nebulous category of "Bant" which really were all Miracles decks, that just happen to run Green. So, with that merged, Miracles makes it (which makes perfect sense, really). Clean cut off too, 90.5 points, giving us a clear top 8. Sorry Maverick, (still love you).


    UR Delver
    Death & Taxes
    Elves!
    Ninjas
    Turbo Depths
    BR Reanimator
    Miracles
    Omnitell

    One thing to note, is that right now, TCDecks has GW Depths decks merged with Turbo Depths decks. For right now, I am going to leave it, we also have no thread for GW Depths, so no real conflict as of yet. But something to keep an eye on for future results.
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