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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    I think nesting grounds is very good with sagas. This gives you additional hex parasites in the land slot. Due to its higher floor and synergy with saga and mox diamond, it could be better than the Non tutorable 1 ofs.

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Nesting Grounds has potential. You could also move soot counters off Smokestack or move fading counters from a dying Tangle Wire to a newer one. Much tech possible.

    The downside is it taps for colorless, so it competes with colorless lands or spells unless the deck just cuts white completely.

    What 1-ofs would you cut? Hex Parasite and Moxes are tutorable. 1-of Mox Opal is because in the video he often wants to tutor for mana but doesn't want to discard a land, making Mox Diamond awkward. If you're land flooded you can get Diamond, but if you're artifact flooded and land-light then you can get Opal.

    Court of Grace seems amazing with all the prison effects, although hard to cast. If it or Geddon are cut, maybe the deck should just go colorless?


    Colorless Stax


    //Lands: 28
    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 City of Traitors
    4 Wasteland
    4 Urza's Saga
    3 Nesting Grounds
    3 Flagstones of Trokair
    4 Plains
    1 Karakas
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale

    //Artifacts: 28
    4 Mox Diamond
    1 Mox Opal
    1 Hex Parasite
    1 Retrofitter Foundry
    4 Chalice of the Void
    4 Sphere of Resistance
    4 Tangle Wire
    3 Trinisphere
    3 Crucible of Worlds
    3 Smokestack

    //Planeswalkers: 4
    4 Karn, the Great Creator

    //Sideboard: 15
    1 Mycosynth Lattice
    1 Liquimetal Coating
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Sundial of the Infinite
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    2 Sorcerous Spyglass
    2 Thorn of Amethyst
    3 Walking Ballista
    3 Thought-Knot Seer
    Last edited by FTW; 06-21-2021 at 11:25 AM.

  3. #2743

    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Yah the double white spells are strong but double white is so much harder than single white in a stompy deck. With more artifacts you could also look into playing more mox opals, which could make the deck significantly faster.

    I didnít like the tabernacle either just because you have no way of finding it. It should be either a 0 or a 2 imo.

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    It just seems wrong not to play Tabernacle in Stax. Maybe with 1 Magus of the Tabernacle SB to have the redundant effect. I think in the colorless deck there is little cost to playing the 1 Tabernacle. In the white version it competes more with other effects or white sources though...

    Opal doesn't make mana on turn 1, so it doesn't actually speed up the deck, and it's bad with Spheres. It's much better on turn 4 than on turn 1, so it's a 1-of Saga target (Saga also helps make metalcraft).

    Edit: The donation deck ran some Ancient Den and the colorless version could run Darksteel Citadel to help Mox Opal and Constructs, but I think for this format the correct number of these is 0. No need to walk harder into Null Rods.

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    I have never played Sphere with my Trinispheres. Is the non-bo fine or should you run thorns/lodestone golems instead?

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    I have never played Sphere with my Trinispheres. Is the non-bo fine or should you run thorns/lodestone golems instead?
    Yeah, Sphere doesn't make as much sense for Black Stompy but this is more like the old Geddon Stax decks.

    Lodestone would be ideal but in this format you really need a prison piece on turn 1. With 0 creatures maindeck Thorn of Amethyst risks being 1-sided for the opponent, might as well play Sphere main. Sphere has the same effect on this deck but oppresses the opponent more.

    The lack of business at 2 mana is probably why white stax has seen less play for a long time. White doesn't have Dark Ritual or Spirit Guides to help power out turn 1 3sphere or Moons. Unfortunately Chrome Mox doesn't work here and Mox Opal won't be active on turn 1, so the most acceleration is 4x Mox Diamond. Diamond is at least supported by the high land count and Crucibles. Other builds above were trying Winter Orb, which is good with Tangle Wire and Stax prison stuff but not good with Sagas and Nesting Grounds. Some played Suppression Field, but this is also bad with Saga and hard to power out turn 1 due to the white mana cost. Maybe the solution is just to stay out of white.

    What white does well is Flagstones of Trokair to support the Stax/Geddon plan. White Stax can pressure mana better than other Stompy decks.

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    Ok sphere for curve reasons makes sense. What about lodestone/Thalia/liquimetal torgueover 3 ball?

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Yeah maybe Lodestone over 3-ball. Turn 3 Lodestone is much slower than turn 2 3ball though. I think Lodestone needs a land like Eldrazi Temple to really make it in Legacy.

    Thalia has a better mana cost but is still hard to play turn 1 and risks being 1-sided in opponent's favor (Vial aggro, Elves, Maverick). This deck would love a Thalia-sized Lodestone effect!!

    In stompy decks like yours you really want 3ball early or it gets bad. In Stax lategame 3ball is good too, because Tangle Wire/Wastelock/Smokestack/Geddon oppress their mana. They can't just make land drops to get out of it. I'll try both out.

    I thought on paper the anti-synergy with Sphere would slow down this deck too much, but in the video the lock pieces worked well. Deserves more testing. I guess if you have too many lock pieces you're in a win-more position anyway, but when they have answers redundancy is good. Urza's Saga also makes it a lot easier for this deck to play under 3ball/Sphere by just making tokens. With Nesting Ground that plan gets even better. Mishra's Factory was another old trick to sneak under symmetrical mana & creature oppression.

    Edit: Nesting Ground is hilarious for Saga mirrors, letting you put your Chapter counters on opponent's Saga to kill it and give them 1 fewer construct.

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Archon of emeria could be the consideration as a 3 cmc hatebear. Lands etb tabbed is powerful with smokestack and the rule of law makes it reasonable to accelerate out vs combo.

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    Re: [Deck] Armageddon Stax

    Archon's a great idea. Deserves testing. Slowing down fetchland by an extra turn is big, and it punishes decks trying to chain cantrips and fetchlands.

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