If you get Mom + Prelate on X=6, that's pretty good; but it can still be defeated by CJ as you mentioned, and Supreme Verdict (which is being included more frequently lately). If I have equipment on the table, I'll throw out a lone Prelate at X=1 to force the use of mass removal or CJ on a single target. Otherwise, if I have multiple creatures, I'll throw it on X=4 or 6 to make them still mostly have to trade 1-for-1. StPs targeting Prelate are not hitting key disruptive creatures or messing up Recruiter-Flickerwisp chains.
Shalai can also to some extent do what we used to use Mother of Runes for, while being defensible with Karakas and able to be a significant threat in the air.
I think Canonist can be able blow-out, especially with Vial. That said, there are situations where you definitely want CJ. We have too many good cards in this matchup and not enough room to get them all in.
Verdict is another reason mom is not as great as she seems in this match-up.
I don't think Shalai is very good against miracles. She's legendary, but her creature type does not align well with cavern nor her mana cost with vial. This makes her vulnerable to counters, of which miracles tends to keep in a bunch to hedge against cataclysm and to combo with predict(fow) and snapcaster(counterspell). Her stats do not protect her from any removal spell in miracles other than perhaps engineered explosives and do not allow her to add more pressure than the average 3-drop. Her protective abilities also matter little because the deck has so many sweepers and few things that care about player hexproof (unlike for instance edicts and therapy and liliana in grixis).Shalai can also to some extent do what we used to use Mother of Runes for, while being defensible with Karakas and able to be a significant threat in the air.
The problem is that we have too many situationally good cards for this match-up and not enough ability to find them when these situations arise. This makes a non-situational plan of aggressive disruption most attractive (e.g. cutting mom in favor of keeping beaters or playing cards like cataclysm, chalice of the void and/or sanctum prelate).I think Canonist can be able blow-out, especially with Vial. That said, there are situations where you definitely want CJ. We have too many good cards in this matchup and not enough room to get them all in.
Hey guys, I made top 16 of the Baltimore Legacy classic last week with this list except with Serra Avengers instead of Serra Angels (lol):
http://www.starcitygames.com/decks/120717
My matchups were:
Grixis Delver: 1-2
ANT: 2-0
Sneak and Show: 2-1
Eldrazi: 2-0
Lands(Ben Feingersh): 2-0
Miracles: 2-0
BR Reanimator: 1-2
Elves (Reid Duke): 2-1
Final Record: 6-2
Overall, the deck felt great. Going up to 3 paths in the side and playing the 11th plains over the second cavern was definitely right. However, the delver matchup felt a lot closer than it should be. Whenever I lost that matchup it was due to a horde of young pyromancer tokens so maybe holy light in the board is worth considering. I can also do a more in-depth report if anyone wants.
It is terrible that we have to discuss craptastical cards like Holy Light for this job. How good is Declaration in Stone in this place? It's pretty broad - and so can go in where Path to Exile currently does, and cheaper than Holy Light, though it is a sorcery. I don't imagine too many opponents will have a lot of mana to spare against this deck for the investigations. if you are just clearing out tokens, they don't even get any. Of course, you don't get to hit the Pyromancer at the same time.
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Holy Light seems like hot garbage to me, it even kills revoker and is unusable in the mirror, but I'm spoiled by Zealous Persecution
Holy Light is downright necessary in some local metagames, but if you can, you want a stronger alternative for it - like Orzhov Pontiff.
Guest touranment report time! This time with Simon Depraz, who took 2nd at the EU Eternal Weekend with D&T! http://www.thrabenuniversity.com/?p=1760
holy light hits Nemesis too. Maybe is necessary. Hard to say.
A note on equipment. It is stronger the more your opponent has sweepers. Think black or white. But red has nasty flashback and Kolaghan command 2-1 effects that make equipment less valuable. Though command is good even without artifacts to hit
"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
"Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often and for the same reason."
"Governing is too important to be left to people as silly as politicians."
"Politicians were mostly people who'd had too little morals and ethics to stay lawyers."
Our equipment used to be a lot more effective than it is now. Miracles played at most one answer to equipment in the main, which made t2 SfM for Sofi a powerful start against the best deck in the format. And the second best deck in the format, Grixis Delver had no answer to an equipped creature in the main.
But now Kolaghan's Command sees more play than Terminus and Grixis Delver players play TNN main, which allows Delver a chance to brick non-SoFi equipment g1. The bind is that I still don't think we can actually take out SfM because it's so necessary to beat the other fair decks in legacy. But it's not reliably good against the best fair decks in legacy anymore.
As for individual cards and the use of enchantments, has anyone tried Absolute Law? It gets us around Kolaghan's Command, Forked Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Punishing Fire, Young Pyromancer. Of course our artifacts are still hosed, and we have to worry about Fatal Push, Gurmag Angler etc.
A thought popped into my head today: What about Phantasmal Image? It is reactionary, and it can fill a 2-drop slot. I know the blue splash is not very strong. My hope is that having a Gurmag, TNN, Leovold, {Insert big guy} could be effective. There is also a great deal of discard, so maybe it is not very possible.
Hi everyone. I'm a couple hundred bones off finishing D&T and wondered if there was consensus on a stock list. Nothing fancy as I want to play with the meat and taters version and develop my list as I gain experience.
FWIW the money cards I'm missing are:
4 Aether Vial
1 Rishadan Port (thx Masters 25!)
1 Thalia GoT
1 SFM
1 Karakas
Mom-mom had to die because of the ground chemicals. http://achewood.com/index.php?date=10272003
Absolute Law has been well tested I think, many people ran it for a long time. Protection from Bolt is good.
Image doesn't seem like a ridiculously bad idea, but I'd go for Phyrexian Metamorph before that just because it's playable in mono-W, it can copy artifacts if needed, and it can be reset with Wisp if something else comes down you'd rather have a copy of. It's just got more options, that's all. Copying TNN or Batterskull can be backbreaking against some opponents.
I've just posted a video featuring a Death & Taxes sideboard guide. You find it here:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ideboard-guide
Good luck to those who will attend GP Birmingham tomorrow!
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