Quote Originally Posted by Asthereal View Post
Results are almost in. Two questions remain:
- Disagreement between mattamort and dte, where dte had DD and matta LL. I think matta is right because he can only cast one creature, which gets Subtlety'ed and then can't be cast anymore.
- No results posted yet by Phasmoid and silk, so we don't have their head-to-head yet. I think Phasmoid wins it 6-0 because he can use Sculler to force out StP and then the Regisaur races Chrono.

I'll be adding the idea for the loop rule to the first post as well, just so everyone is clear. I'll add examples for clarity (Nomads en-Kor is a good one).



I don't see a results post - or any post, for that matter - this round from Reeplcheep or jhhdk.



I was holding off on putting together my results post because I thought more people would weigh in on the loop issue.
In that regard, I note that the reasons given for the loop rule that's now in the opening post, assume that very loop rule:

"when you need to tap a land eternally to stop something from getting cast," if infinite is not allowed, then zero times
is optimal, "as there is no benefit to the game state in" making extra turns go by before you finally don't tap the land.
If infinite is allowed, then when something would cause you to lose (for example, when you have priority
in a declare blockers step in which your opponent is attacking for lethal in the air), you need to activate
Nomads en-Kor eternally to stop that thing from happening, so there is no optimal number except infinite.


The multiple turns distinction does indeed allow infinite for one and not for the other, but that's just the rule saying so:
It does not validly get derived from optimal play.


Also, as I mentioned earlier, Asthereal vs me is not the only match this round in which the loop issue comes up:
The other one is, against Tylert, can GoblinSmashmaster get draws by recycling the Conjurer’s Baubles eternally?



Lastly, since Thopter Foundry requires sacrificing a nontoken artifact, although I have not run the numbers,
I feel like my matches against Reeplcheep and jddhk and RoosterCocoa should be 6-0 for me.

If those would affect bans for the next round, then please wait at least
10 hours so that tonight I can post an analysis for those 3 matches.
(Although I already had a lot of time, most of that was
me waiting for more replies regarding the loop issue.)