Quote Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit View Post
This is a weird gaslight because your post is still up, unedited:

You opened right up saying that you were going to pretend Karn doesn't exist. So no, you didn't say every deck would be 4 Karn 4 lotus, you said you were going to intentionally exclude it from the example.
You also are so far into your own make-believe land you don't seem to understand that they do run null rod and lotus together. In the same deck. The whole thesis of this tangent was you saying not to run the cards that would be worse in your deck.

So, once again, you're wrong about just about everything and shame on everyone (especially me) for still engaging with you. How do people fall for your shtick every time? Go back to fucking off.
So we're talking about Black Lotus, so you do understand that every single deck has Lotus right? And you understand that every deck has to spam turn 0 Karn right? That is what Black Lotus leads to. It's the only endpoint...So knowing that this is the only endpoint, and that Karn is a 1-sided Null Rod...then nobody would play symmetrical Null Rod effects, because everybody would be a 1-sided Null Rod deck.

So what the discussion has been about is adding cards that other people use effectively, but you can't. So if we pretend there is no Karn in this hypothetical, we already know that Null Rod spamming would be self-defeating. It would be very cool and powerful feeling to have 12/60 card be Black Lotus and Null Rod and Ouphe wouldn't it.....until you realize everyone else is going to Lotus -> Minsc or whatever you into the dirt. At no point are you getting out of that by deploying redundant Null Rod effects and topdecking Black Loti you can't activate (from waaaaaaay behind on board).

So why would the Null Rod spammer lose? At the core of the answer is that they can't use Black Lotus as well as or better than everyone else. As it turns out, mana is kind of important to pay attention to.