Quote Originally Posted by morgan_coke View Post
nobody's arguing bauble is the end of scam, we're just dumbfounded that 4dogs continues to argue casting into it is a good idea, when its clearly not in every way conceivable.
You won't ever agree on this one. It came up in the Dreadnought thread too.

4dogs also thinks Dress Down + Endurance/Fury is a combo spending 3 cards for draw 1+ 2-mana 3/x without the trigger. It's card disadvantage. But 4dogs thinks it's worth it to cheat out the pitch Elementals without the ETB trigger, just for the fast body. It will attack for 3 and win.

4dogs values the body over the ETB ability. It's still a Turn 1 3/2 Menace even with Bauble, just with 1 less Thoughtseize trigger.

Losing the Thoughtseize trigger makes it card disadvantage and more likely for opponent to have or find 1-mana removal. But you still get the fast 3/2. It's a disagreement over which is the better half of the elementals: the ability or the body.