Quote Originally Posted by MULocke View Post
Against landstill, your most relevant cards are: (in order) Nimble Mongoose, Krosan Grip, REB. Goose gets there, and grip deals with all of the problem cards. You have stifles and counters for most removal spells, and grip gets crucible off the table as well as removing humility. Yes, relic deals with crucible recursion too. You already run grips, though, so you don't need them. REB obviously makes sure all your spells resolve.

Loam: I haven't tested this as much as I'd like, but Submerge is really awesome in response to a fetch, or just in general.

Team America: Submerge kicks relic's ass. I have tested, and this is my conclusion. You're free to agree to disagree.
crucible + wasteland lock = gg for us though unless we can just put fetchlands out and then they would force us to basically fetch a real land w/ it so it wont be more than 2 lands in play at any given time... and grip needs 3 mana to destroy the crucible.

i think crucible is a MUST counter vs any deck running it because no good things usually happen afterward.