@ScatmanX--I have never played Gobs but happened to poke my head in and see your explanation on the usefulness of Needle. My homebrew lockdown pet deck has been hurting for some time now. I can't seem to find the balance between denying them the pleasure of playing Magic and actually winning. You may have just solved the former. I Winter Orb/Port or Tangle Wire or Sphere of Resistance or (other lock pieces tried) and never can I beat decks that run wretched vial (and sdt is a problem as well, smooths out their draws for finding more lands!). Once they drop vial no amount of mana denial on my end is any good save propaganda. I will MD needle ftw! Oh hell, it even stops EE and Deed from x-1'ing my dork army. Thanks man!