Quote Originally Posted by kiblast View Post
And, what is better? Ghastly, diabolic edict or innocent blood? i hate sorcery speed removal since doesnt hit manlands, while the nonblack clause on ghastly can sometimes be problematic. Sure player targeted sac removal is useful sometimes but can be narrow sometimes...
I prefer innocent blood cause it's cheaper than edict, StP is better than ghastly for non-shroud due to it being non-conditional. I usually let my wastes and factories deal with their manlands, I take damage like a champ until I find them or Deed or StP. EE usually goes into my sideboard now.

Against Vengevines, the single best card against them is Extirpate, Ravenous Trap and Leyline are my second guesses. Perish is not an answer since they can finish you off in a single turn. K. Grip can also be a turn too late as they can dump their vines in the yard by turn 3. They can play around relic and crypt since they are not up against a fast clock. Just keep their discard outlets from hitting the table, but more importantly SotF.