Quote Originally Posted by Antonius View Post
I'd rather have green sun's zenith but that doesn't mean I cut Llanowar elves.
I fail to see how that makes any sense relative to what I posted. BUG or UB would be able to fill an opponents graveyard faster, but its still not coming on line at the earliest until turn four or five while Delver can come online as early as turn two. Even under the best case scenario the Delver math works out like this:

Delver Math (Turn Two)

Turn/Damage
2/3
3/6
4/9
5/12
6/15
7/18
8/21

Trying to give Jace's Phantasm the best case hand with a UB shell, the math is still terrible. Consider having an opener with three land (Underground Sea, Swamp, Wasteland), Jace's Phantasm, Thoughtseize, Hymn to Tourach, and Thought Scour.

Turn One: Underground Sea, Jace's Phantasm

Turn Two: Attack with Phantasm (Total Damage: 1), play swamp, cast Thoughtseize (opponent's graveyard = 1)

Turn Three: Attack with Phantasm (Total Damage: 2), play Wasteland, cast Hymn to Tourach, Wasteland a non-basic (opponent's graveyard = 4)

Turn Four: Attack with Phantasm (Total Damage: 3), cast Thought Scour (Opponent's Graveyard = 6)

In addition to using Thoughtseize, Hymn to Tourach, Wasteland and Thought Scour to fill your opponents graveyard, you could top deck into Force of Will and a creature removal spell, resolve them both and your opponent would still be only at eight cards in their graveyard meaning they would of needed to fetch twice or cast two additional spells. Is it possible: yes. Is it probable or worth the investment, probably not. The aforementioned is a better case scenario assuming Jace's Phantasm comes online by turn five. In such a case the math looks like this:

Jace's Phantasm Math (Turn Five)

Turn/Damage
2/1
3/2
4/3
5/8
6/13
7/18
8/23

Both creatures, unaided, still result in the same turn clock. I'll concede there would be games that Jace's Phantasm comes online before turn five, but those would be far and few between; I'd rather take Delver.

Quote Originally Posted by Antonius View Post
This is starting to get fucking stupid. Good to see that Wizard's color choice rubrick is still the same. Is the card good? Then we must make it blue.
So when they start stacking one of the other four colors, are you going to get pissed at them for making that the best color? The blue bashing is irrelevant and pointless. If blue wasn't the best color, some other color would be and the boards would be filled with people clamoring about how terrible [color that's not blue] is and how Wizards always prints good cards for [color that's not blue].