Quote Originally Posted by Tammit67 View Post
That's fair, that is not a change I've had experience with. Until Esper looks to extirpate/RiP instead of surgical, I can see why it's now considered terrible.

EDIT: I'm an idiot, extirpate doesn't do anything different against grove's mana ability and punishing fire trigger.

Creeping tar pit also pretty handily beats down jace, although we do usually pack a wasteland or two, they can tutor(intuition) it or dig to it faster ala dredging. and if it's game 1 then life of the loam will just keep bringing him back too. And of course swords takes care of him completely.

Edit: actually yeah swords kinda just owns him, but engineering explosives for 4 is always within reach