Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
Yeah I mean let's not get to carried away here. Don't forget guys were are still dealing with...

1: What is essentially usually a 3 card combo
2: Make that basically a 4 card combo if you want counter backup.
3: No way to go off before turn 4 without S&T (and that's basically still a 3 card combo since you only have 4x Sol lands in this build).
4: No meaningful way to interact with the opponent outside of Force of Will.
5: No meaningful way to interact with board outside of Cunning Wish targets.

I'll reserve my judgement until I see more results, but just from goldfishing I can say it's not always easy to get the combo assembled in a timely manner even without disruption from the opponent.

Given the choice between playing against this and Sneak/Show there are definitely decks where I'd rather play against this and decks where I'd rather play against Sneak/Show.
In fairness, even a 3 card combo is not that difficult to assemble in a deck with Brainstorms.

I cannot find the relevant math online, but it was taught early to me in Magic why 2-card combos were acceptable using the example of a trick you can do using a 52 card deck. You can pretty much go through a deck of cards and guarantee that for any given card value 2 through Ace, you'll see another random value within one card of each other by the time you're at the end of the deck (basically within a 3 card range) - for example just go pick up a deck of cards and riffle through them and say "I will see a Queen and a 7 within one card of each other" and odds are it will just happen. It can totally whiff of course, b/c random deck is random, but do it like 10 times with ten different card values, shuffling in between and watch how often Value A is no further than one card away from Value B. Adding tutors and card draw to the mix is only going to make it that much easier to assemble the win.

I don't know that there's a cause for banhammering anything, but at some point there is kind of a responsibility to break the format as much as you can, so if someone wants to just go ahead and do it I think that's swell.