Originally Posted by
Final Fortune
Or people could stop being intellectually dishonest and actually admit when a card has a weakness and there are other acceptable substitutes to that card and MD configurations instead of using whatever rhetoric comes to mind to justify their flavour of the month card choices in Dredge? I really don't care whether or not he plays Leyline or Chancellor, I've even played Leyline myself before back when he originally dismissed it because "leylines are bad in Dredge" and then he later accepted it, because it's efficacy is going to heavily depend on which Storm or Combo variants he faces. I was just pointing out that Leyline has an exploitable weakness to Empty the Warrens if they don't fear the counter because you time walk yourself out of the ability to deal with it and "don't worry, I always draw Leyline and a counter" is not an honest way to compare the cards merrits because even tho' he may math says you wont.
I probably play Manaless Dredge vs combo decks more than any one else because I play primarily on MTGO, and I spent a really long time trying to find any way I could to shore up the combo match up and I know each of those cards exploits. I'm not saying Chancellor is hands down better because it has its own problems, he's right about Gitaxian Probe or Chrome Mox burning thru' it but it still always costs them a card and they can't always afford to lose a card and go off immediately so you usually buy a turn to start dredging immediately and then hope they lose another turn to Cabal Therapying you, naming the wrong counter or they don't have enough mana to win immediately despite discarding the counter and you have a chance to dredge up a Cabal Therapy yourself next turn, but more importantly Chancellor gives EV vs Deathrite Shaman where Leyline doesn't really give EV vs any other tertiary cards in the format other than a Nihil Spellbomb which is really debeatably worth SBing it in for at all.
The fact of the matter is Storm is a bad match up and his hyperbole hasn't solved that, the problem is probably worse for me than it is for him and even I don't put all of my eggs into the anti-storm basket because Deathrite Shaman is a more important consideration. I've pretty much moved to Mana Dredge for the moment because even with Force of Will in the MD and the blue SB the match up vs combo is an uphill battle and Rest in Peace is still a major problem, things have gotten better but the deck is still a glass cannon instead of a daily driver. I could be entirely convinced that we should go back to playing Chancellor and Arbor in the MD and just SB Force of Will/Disrupting Shoal and run 7 slots vs Reanimator even tho' I think Gitaxian Probe/Whirlpool Rider gave this deck the first legitimate progression in years just because it's your win% vs Deathrite Shaman that's probably going to get you to and thru' the T8.
In short, Leyline and Chancellor are pretty equivalent vs Storm, actually I should say Chancellor is probably weaker vs Storm, but Chancellor provides added winning% vs arguably the most ubiquitous graveyard hate in the format so it should probably get the nod in a tournament setting. If he plays vs ANT like every other match up tho' then yeah Leyline of Sanctity is pretty damn good.
